8 Jun 2015

Done Deal: Liverpool 'agree' to sign 'terrific' £12m attacker with 51 goals in 159 games. Underwhelming?

The excitement continues! Hot on the heels of signing James Milner - a goal-shy squad player who averages 3 league goals a season over the last 5 years - Liverpool have announced the signing of one of the league's most non-prolific strikers!

According to the official LFC website today:

"Liverpool FC are delighted to announce that they have agreed personal terms with Danny Ings [who] struck 11 goals in 35 League appearances last season. He will join the club on July 1"

I can see the positives of this deal: cheap [£5m]; experience of the Premier League proven; no real financial risk etc.

However, I just can't get excited about Ings, a player described by Brendan Rodgers as 'terrific'.

11 goals in 35 games is not a great record in the Premier League, and in ranking terms, Ings is joint 13th in the league scoring table, alongside Nacer Chadli (who's not even a striker), and Leicester City's Leonardo Ulloa.

Maybe Liverpool should sign Ulloa as well?

In a recent interview, Steven Gerrard argued that Liverpool 'need to bring players who can score 25-30 goals', and based on his goalscoring history, there's no chance Ings will reach that exalted level. Career total:

* 51 goals in 159 appearances.
* Goal every 3.1 games.

To be fair, Ings - recently the subject of a £12m bid from Spurs - currently plays with comparatively inferior players, but with the likes of Coutinho, Hendo et al feeding him next season, there's every possibility that his goal record will improve.

That said, playing with better players didn't inspire Borini or Lambert to score more goals, so there are no guarantees.

Additionally, prior to his Liverpool transfer, Lambert grabbed 24 goals/assists in 37 Premier League games for Southampton (!), yet that plummeted to 4 goals/assists in 25 league games for Liverpool.

If Ings suffers the same bench-bound fate as Lambert - a definite possibility - it's conceivable that he'll suffer a similarly drastic reduction in creative output.

For me, the biggest worry is Rodgers' seemingly incessant need to stack the team with British players. There's a reason why England have utterly failed to win anything since 1966: British players are just not good enough at the highest level.

This is particularly true in the Premier League era, and especially at Liverpool, where British players are among the most expensive transfer flops of the last 10 years (Carroll, Downing, Cole, Keane, Lallana etc).

Are Ings and Milner going to be worth an extra 20+ points next season? Will they propel the Reds into the Champions League? Will the likes of Man United, Man City, and Arsenal be quaking in their boots about facing those two?

Unlikely.



I refute the suggestion that Ings and Milner are the best Liverpool can do; that's not the case. Liverpool is - and will remain - one of the biggest and most successful clubs in world football.

Ings and Milner are the best that Brendan Rodgers can do, and therein lies the problem.

Who knows, though - perhaps Milner and Ings will suddenly become superstars at Anfield, and succeed where Lallana, Coutinho, Sterling et failed, and propel Liverpool into the Champions League...?

I hope so. It's just concerning that Rodgers' solution to Liverpool's goalscoring problems is...to sign players who don't score enough goals.

How does that make any sense?

An even bigger problem to consider: what if Rodgers decides to stick with Ings, Origi, and Sturridge next season, and decides that Liverpool don't needs to sign another experienced, prolific goalscorer?

*shudder*

Author: Jaimie K



92 comments:

  1. I'm not going to say I'm thrilled with these transfers, but they do seem practical, if a bit underwhelming. We're saving money hopefully for a splash later on. Milner and Ings might not be our future, but they're hardly bad players. For once, I'm not feeling like our summer will be a complete failure like I have for the past 2 years.

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  2. Admittedly, I didn't think our summer was a failure at the time. I was actually quite pleased, and I thought every signing made sense at the time.


    Unfortunately, I was wrong.

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  3. I don't mind Inge or milner I just don't think a 37 m contract for a 30 year old whose game is built on industry is a smart move ,for me Gerrard was spent at 32 in the prem and he is on another level to milner so how he gets to 35 is anyone's guess

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  4. I just hope these signings are going to be accompanied by a couple of established european stars. For a start we need experience up top, to go in with untested origi, ings and injury prone sturridge is a recipe for disaster.

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  5. You compared ings to borini and lambert torally different at styles. I'm happy with the transfers so far ings could do well he has pace and can score which is the only problem with sterling upfront. Not all superstars work I.e soldado,negredo, Shevchenko, Torres, forlan shall I go on ?

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  6. Robbie Keane is not British.
    Ireland was a civilisation long before the British invasion and has been a republic for a century. What you have written is at best offensive. You are no fool, so one can only assume it was deliberate. If so, then shame on you. Living on an island next to the country that invaded ours 800 years ago does not make anybody British.
    Have some respect and the decency not to repeat it.

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  7. I was happy with Can, Markovic, and Moreno. Lambert was okay as a backup, but then we never added anyone else worthwhile. Balo's situation was a farce. Never his fault, but just not a transfer we needed to make. Lallana was okay but over priced, and Lovren's history of inconsistency season to season made his transfer questionable. Allen was never worth it, though he is a good squaddie imo, Borini didn't really show me anything that made me want to buy him. Toure was a good pickup though.


    That's just my evaluation.

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  8. I should have specified... I was referring to last summer.


    I thought all other summers have been farcical under Rodgers.

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  9. I didn't mean for that to sound too confrontational... I was just going through my memory :D


    Many of the transfers had the right idea, which is good thing. We know where we need to improve. We just targeted the wrong players, overpaid, and flat out misjudged the priorities.

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  10. Completely agree. I like Milner, but physically he's only going to decline from here in and that's a huge amount of money. I see no downside to signing Ings, but I'm concerned we're starting the summer just like the last couple i.e. make a couple of bread and butter signings early and wait for a Marquee signing only to be told it's Sakho..
    What Rodgers doesn't get is you can only have 11 players on the pitch at a time, but players like Suarez are so good it's like playing with 12. Watching the likes of Lambert and co made it feel like we only had 9or 10 at times last year. Quality not quantity please.

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  11. Now, we need to get rid of Borini, Balotelli, Lambert and Aspas and sign one top class striker - someone like Jackson Martinez, Icardi, Bacca or Tevez. Then we'd actually have a good set of strikers, with Ings and Origi playing back up to Sturridge and whoever we would sign, hypothetically.


    I'm not sure that's actually going to happen though as we've currently got 6 strikers at the club and we will inevitably need to sell before we buy. Sturridge, Ings, Origi and Balotelli doesn't look like a forward line capable of challenging at the top of the PL, to me at least - and considering that Sturridge spends most of his time injured.

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  12. "Ings and milner are the best that Brendan Rodgers can do" totally agree with that . Maybe by next season LFC will be named liverengland because I'm pretty sure this is not the end

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  13. Nail on the head Jaimie! Although Ings has potential this alone is not going to be enough to provide the goals so dearly missed by Suarez, Sturridge and Gerrard (who was our top goalscorer last season) and I also refute the suggestion these players are the best we can get as it's total b*llocks. We still need players who are proven goalscorers and players to add that bit of proven quality to the team. There are whisperings of Tevez the likelyhood of him joining is slim but we need that touch of class to help the younger players develop and grow in confidence. The Manc's did it with Cuntana, Henrik Llarson, Laurent Blanc...Chelski did it with Gullit, Le Boeuf, Zola.....And then we did it when we signed Gary McAllister! proven quality and experience is an essential part of building a succesful team! I hope the board and Rodgers see the logic in signing a proven goalscorer and a few more proven players to compliment the youngsters.......Martinez, Higuian, Tevez, Bacca, Aubemyang, Luiz Adriano and Yarmolenko I feel are still reasonable targets all of whom are scoring goals. I am not opposed to us signing Ings as he does look a decent player and for £5m I can't argue but we still need that proven quality to bind it all together..It's a proven formula that has stood the test of time in football....

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  14. Totally agree Jaimie!! Getting Ings does not signal any intent from the club and really does not signal anything for the future. What separates Ings from Borini or Lambert? Why get ings when we have a similar player in Borini. It reminds me of last season when getting Lambert was meant to be the value deal to signal better things but those never came.. The same thing is happening this year right before our eyes.

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  15. How dare you confront me with your own opinions based upon logic and reasoning! :)

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  16. Rodgers don't want top player, he want player who won't put his "authority" into quesion when he makes the wrong decision repeatedly.

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  17. Yeah sure, Ings has as much pace as Markovic, and we saw last season that it was a complete myth.

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  18. No... why would managers want top players? It's not like performance will dictate their job security (or lackthereof)... let's go out and get a guy who will not question the manager's authority. That's so much better than getting more skilled players.

    In fact, we should aim for as little skill as possible so that the player will be less likely to question the manager.


    That was what Rodgers pitched to FSG last week when he convinced them to keep him.


    And the more I think about, how could FSG have not bought that? It makes too much sense.

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  19. From Suarez to Lambert, Lambert to ings wow! Ings may have got potential, but the most annoying thing is when I see the likes of crystal palace going all out for cabaye., it's a really lack of ambition. Also, the committee re being paid for basically doing amazing job over the past few years whilst we offer our senior players peanuts ... Rodgers has said he wants to take full control if that's the case scrap the committee it will save us a lot of money

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  20. Yep we bought a lot of top players with character under BR, this guy's ego is as huge as Mourinho despite achieving nothing.
    Every player that had character/experience at the top level or were doubtful about Rodgers has been ostracized from the squad.

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  21. I don't remember me comparing ings to markovic ? More like hernandez

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  22. nope you didn't, but i did.
    People were saying markovic had pace, and it pretty much have be proven to be a myth, now people are saying that Ings has pace but i'm saying that just like with Markovic it's a myth.

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  23. Thats a fair comment i suppose but for all the players you say have not worked there are many that have.....Van Persie, Costa, Sanchez, Aguerro to name a few....I agree totally that it doesn't always guarantee success but buying loads of unproven players carries it's own risk as all the failures add up in no time.....Aspas £7m, Alberto £6.8m, Balotelli £16m, Borini £11m to name a few, sometimes you have to take a punt on proven players if done wisely and with tact as then you will get what you pay for.

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  24. Can't really compare Ings to Lambert because he is very static whereas Ings likes to get in behind the defence. I'm not a fan of the Ings signing (And we were going for an English striker playing for a relegation club then Charlie Austin would've been a better option [17 goals] than Ings) but I guess he is a decent squad player and there is almost 0 chance of making a loss here.
    I remember JK saying a few times that all the top clubs need four strikers: Two top class strikers, a squad player willing to play back up and a young player to learn from them. Well we have Origi for that young option, Ings as a squad player (hopefully) and Sturridge + one more top player. I for one still think Balotelli has something to offer IF he plays in a front two because there is no doubt that he has bags of ability but he needs to work harder and I'm willing to give him a chance to redeem himself. Somebody in the ilk of Jackson Martinez or Carlos Bacca (doesn't seem to mind playing Europa League) would experienced heads and ideal to our system.

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  25. I still have a feeling our summer went wrong with Remi's medical in USA. He would be 3x useful then Balo. I think Rodgers wanted him, but someone in ownership or comittee stopped the transfer.

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  26. I am totally overwhelmed with disgust. Is this the best the club can do after a season like last is beyond me.

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  27. Whoa there! Markovic has pace to burn and his problem this season was his inability (actually more of an unwillingness) to take on players, it doesn't mean his pace is a myth.

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  28. Markovic does have pace mate he just doesn't use it he never runs with the ball he keeps passing it as if he's scared of the ball you can see his pace when he tracks back to defend as a rwb. I honestly think ings will be a good signing he has pace for through balls and can finish. I know im going to get slaughtered for this comment.

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  29. every time he tried to outrun it didn't went well at all, that has nothing to do with confidence.
    he look more like he has a good acceleration in the first few yards than pace.
    I'm not saying he's slow i'm saying he's not fast.

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  30. Totally agree mate it would be managerial suicide for Rodgers to go into next season without that proven goalscorer and that bit more quality to boot.

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  31. This baltoelli I think is unfair how he has been treated this year. Ok he hasn't set the world alight but he even came out and said I can't play as a lone striker. Give him a partner and see what he can do if he fails then fair enough. He does well for Italy and Milan. But I see your point with superstar players they can work but they can also fail and be an expensive fail.

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  32. Be serious now mate. Why would Tevez leave Champions League finalists and Serie A champions Juve for a 7th placed LFC? He would be mad for sure!!

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  33. He looks quite fast tracking back though :-)

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  34. rodgers/committee they signed lambert whose main strength is in the air but we don't play that system either , in fat we have signed a host po players for no real reason except they where for sale

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  35. By all acounts he wants to leave and if you read the comment properly it does say' There are whisperings of Tevez but the likelyhood of him joining is slim' but whats the harm in trying? So you can over-elaborate my comment all you want! So being serious now! if he's on the market he is a viable target whats the harm in trying all he can say at worst is NO? It's called showing a bit of ambition and if he says YES then would you argue against it? Nothing ventured nothing gained

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  36. all we seem to do is improve the squad not the team

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  37. Ian Rush P660 G3466:57 pm, June 08, 2015

    The transfer market isn't open yet, so Milner & Ings are the best we can get right now with their contacts running out. With them costing little money, hopefully we can buy some top players next.

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  38. i should imagine that ings and milner will cost the club about 60m in wages and fees its hardly chicken feed

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  39. none because we dont sign top players ...but rodgers has done his best to ostracize the others at one point or another

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  40. We still need two real strikers without counting on Daniel for long standing medical reasons. Lacazette, Martinez and others are out there. Throw the cash at them and stop nickel @ diming everyone. The two guys above would fit us and they certainly can and could go elsewhere. If you don't try it will never happen. Stop low-balling and then say 'the player wanted London". Manchester is a shit city and Manu attracted good players when they missed the CL so we can too. Cash is King Boys!

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  41. Theycallmemrburt7:01 pm, June 08, 2015

    Stats can sometimes lie. Alan Shearer bagged 43 in his first 158 games for Southampton prompting me to ask what all the fuss was about. He had a decent all round game but to be honest no-one not even Kenny could predict that Shearer would live upto the media hype. Shearer went on to show aspects of his game (i.e carrying the ball, consistent long range shooting, consistent set pieces fantastic crossing and ability to play consistently well alongside a big man) no one knew he possessed due to the amount of faith shown in him and the fact he always played alongside a target man and two wingers who could actually cross the damn ball. Rafa once said (paraphrasing) "The modern game is played between the lines" ... is this true in the prem? NOW, I ask.... name me an out and out number 10 in the premier league playing in a 4-2-3-1 who's stats live up to their reported ability. I'd go with none. As long as we persist with this 4-2-3-1 with no wingers who can consistently find their number 9 with close range as well as from deep crosses we are destined to crash and burn.

    number 10's who should be scoring more but flatter to deceive in a goal scoring sense when played in a 4-2-3-1

    Oscar 40 games 7 goals
    ozil 31 games 5 goals
    Coutinho 52 games 8 goals
    Sigurdson 35 games 9 goals
    Downing (although also used out wide this season) 37 games 6 goals
    Eriksen 43 games 12 goals
    bojan 18 games 5 goals
    Charlie Adam 35 games 7 goals
    Ross Barkley 29 games 2 goals
    Silva 31 games 12 goals

    All the above players are technically very good but I just feel are being asked to play a roll that doesn't completely work the way it does in Spain.

    More often than not the 4-2-3-1 doesn't do the front 4 any favours unless the club in question has millions to throw at it. If we stick with the 'dogmatic one' and then analyse our performances last season before we changed to 3 at the back and then when we reverted back to 4-2-3-1 it was clear we couldn't keep the ball in these periods and lacked the 'machines' in the middle of the park to allow our wide men and number 10 to stay up the pitch. I feel for Ings because he will be left isolated in a system that only primarily works in slower more technical leagues where the forwards are earmarked with less defensive duties.

    I think Ings will provide us with more of the same in this current system unless he shows himself to be Suarez-esque in his endeavor and imagination...............

    I'm rooting for 4-4-2. It may not be the answer in the CL but as Man Utd ad City have shown it ticks most of the boxes in England.

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  42. Yes, agreed. Makes you wonder are we all stupid or are the LFC transfer squad totally living in LaLa land?

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  43. Yes but what if the "splash" is Mario V 2.0???? The longer we wait the more certain we wont get what we really need. Trot out Kenny and Carra to help sign two killer instinct strikers and stop counting on BR and Ayre who have no credibility or juice whatsoever..........

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  44. Theycallmemrburt7:08 pm, June 08, 2015

    Stats can sometimes lie. Alan Shearer bagged 43 in his first 158
    games for Southampton prompting me to ask what all the fuss was about.
    He had a decent all round game but to be honest no-one not even Kenny
    could predict that Shearer would live upto the media hype. Shearer went
    on to show aspects of his game (i.e carrying the ball, consistent long
    range shooting, consistent set pieces fantastic crossing and ability to
    play consistently well alongside a big man) no one knew he possessed due
    to the amount of faith shown in him and the fact he always played
    alongside a target man and two wingers who could actually cross the damn
    ball. Rafa once said (paraphrasing) "The modern game is played between
    the lines" ... is this true in the prem? NOW, I ask.... name me an out
    and out number 10 in the premier league playing in a 4-2-3-1 who's
    stats live up to their reported ability. I'd go with none. As long as
    we persist with this 4-2-3-1 with no wingers who can consistently find
    their number 9 with close range as well as crosses from deep we are
    destined to crash and burn.

    number 10's who should be scoring more but flatter to deceive in a goal scoring sense when played in a 4-2-3-1:

    Oscar 40 games 7 goals
    ozil 31 games 5 goals
    Coutinho 52 games 8 goals
    Sigurdson 35 games 9 goals
    Downing (although also used out wide this season) 37 games 6 goals
    Eriksen 43 games 12 goals
    bojan 18 games 5 goals
    Charlie Adam 35 games 7 goals
    Ross Barkley 29 games 2 goals
    Silva 31 games 12 goals

    All
    the above players are technically very good but I just feel are being
    asked to play a roll that doesn't completely work the way it does in
    Spain.

    More often than not the 4-2-3-1 doesn't do the front 4 any
    favours unless the club in question has millions to throw at it. If we
    stick with the 'dogmatic one' and then analyse our performances last
    season before we changed to 3 at the back and then when we reverted back
    to 4-2-3-1 it was clear we couldn't keep the ball in these periods and
    lacked the 'machines' in the middle of the park to allow our wide men
    and number 10 to stay up the pitch. I feel for Ings because he will be
    left isolated in a system that only primarily works in slower more
    technical leagues where the front 4 are earmarked with less defensive
    duties.

    I think Ings will provide us with more of the same in this
    current system unless he shows himself to be Suarez-esque in his
    endeavor and imagination...............

    I'm rooting for 4-4-2. It
    may not be the answer in the CL but as Man Utd ad City have shown it
    ticks most of the boxes in England.

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  45. Calm down, the window hasn't even opened yet. What does it matter when we splash? If a player is good, he's good. If he's bad, he's bad. It doesn't matter if we buy him now or later. Are you saying if we bought Mario earlier in the summer he would have been better?

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  46. Sorry Jamie but he will cost us more than 5 mil.

    Unless we agree a deal with Burnley, who had accepted a 12mil bid from spurs it will go to a tribunal.



    Since spurs have already made a 12mil bid that was accepted that will be used as evidence of his worth.

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  47. Yeah. Woop-de-doo. They spent Millions of pounds on a loan that didn't work out and 40M on Di Maria who didn't perform any better than Hendo.

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  48. Maybe earlier you buy the more time they have with the team in pre season

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  49. Well, considering the homegrown rule is actually a thing and we just lost at least 3 in Stevie, Johnson, and Jones (possibly Sterling), that might actually be the case.

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  50. Well u really know your football i hope Rodgers understands well great comment and theory maybe i 1 of the few Supporters who thinks that Balo would be a success if he had another striker supporting him like Ings but i,m not paid to manage or coach

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  51. I think the best thing for Liverpool is polish some rough diamonds from lower clubs as well as complete for the top players. When I look at ings record there is no reason why he cant make the jump like Shearer did when he moved from Southampton. Along with Orig the striker positions are up for grabs so this is a great opportunity for both of them to seize the chance.

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  52. There is a time and place for splashing

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  53. A pre season will help a player get fit and gel with the squad, but it won't make a player better. There's no indication that a preseason would have made Balotelli any more effective than he was. Sure, maybe his initial performances would have been a bit less jointed, but overall, the season performance would have been the same.

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  54. there are a lot of double standards at play at anfield ...i hope burnley get 12m plus for him if they where offered 12 by spurs......everyone at anfield is up in arms about clubs trying to get sterling but isn't that what we are doing to burnley its called karma

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  55. So would you rather pay 60M without a transfer fee or 60M with a transfer fee?

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  56. Can't blame them. Who doesn't like to smoke a little home-grown now and again?

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  57. Theycallmemrburt7:30 pm, June 08, 2015

    Football brings out the Darwin in all of us... smh

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  58. id sooner sign a top player for a position we actually need that will actually improve the team for 30m with 30m wages

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  59. I mean, I agree. But there's no indication that Milner took a higher wage because he was free. From what I've noticed, when players wait out their contract, it's "Buy me then pay me an enormous wage, or wait a year and pay me the same wage..."

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  60. We can't sell until the window opens though. The only reason we could announce Milner and Ings early is because they are free transfers. If we were to sell all our strikers, we won't announce them until late.r

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  61. We could also publically humiliate him with tomatoes, but that wouldn't be nearly as legal.

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  62. You are going to have to pace yourself. The window is not even open yet and when it does we'll have more signings to moan about and those we should have had but missed out on. Then when the season starts and the ones we missed out on do well and those we signed don't do well we can moan all over again. Happy days

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  63. And breathe....

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  64. Yeah I pretty much agree.

    We knew this could happen and shouldn't of messed about back in winter.

    We should of offered Burnley the 8mil then and be done with it.

    Now the fee could now be 12mil if it goes to a tribunal as Burnley can prove that is what he is worth.

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  65. yeah and breathe....lol

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  66. *Learns Ings and Milner are coming to Liverpool*


    ''Oh, well that's not too bad''


    *Learns they will most likely be starting 11 players, with Milner getting paid 150,000 a week*


    ''Well that's depressing''

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  67. I have to admit, I like Danny Ings.

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  68. If you really wanted to sign another striker for Liverpool, why bring in someone who is:
    -Young
    -''Not mentally fit''
    -Hasn't done anything credible this season anyways


    Essentially, you bring him into a team where, we have no real leaders, and will not play alongside someone with experience.


    The closest thing we have to experience upfront is Sturridge, who hasn't even shown up to most of our games this season. I have the impression that Lambortelli will probably leave, and that leaves us with, as I have said before, an average striker age (Excluding Sturridge) of 20 years old. (Ings, Sinclair, Origi).


    In the hardest positions for success will play:
    -A mentally unfit striker (Ings)
    -An 18 year old who has made 1 app (Sinclair)

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  69. I do too. Very calm and professional in front of the goal. Has pace and is very tricksy. Hope we also get another striker, but am pleased with the Ings deal.
    Ings would never have missed the sitter Mercenary (that is his name now, right?) missed against QPR.

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  70. Or the misses against Utd

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  71. Despite the mercenary comment

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  72. It was more of a joke than a statement of my feelings towards the Ripper.

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  73. To me Ings is a good get especially considering he is replacing Lambert or Borini is English and can finish but the club still need to bring in a top class striker this window.

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  74. In not sure you've covered it burt

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  75. Lacazette? Oh the guy who's manager insulted the hell out of us while at the same time denying all rumors from Liverpool?

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  76. There was I worrying about him being likened to a mercenary completely forgetting he's a mass murderer. Doh! ;-)

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  77. Those numbers for Lambert just show what is lacking in our team, good supply from the mid. It would be a similar story for ings unless we fix the mid.

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  78. I think you'll find Borini is Italian...

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  79. ''Lambert or Borini, is English'' is what I think he meant to say

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  80. His dad is from Wigan

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  81. T'north of Italy then

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  82. Rodgers is but doesnt

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  83. I'm finished on this forum if we sign a good player

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  84. Yeah. Wonder why PSG aren't buying him outright though. Seems like a wonky deal all round...

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  85. His presents ruin lfc hopes in the coming season....balloteli is a waste package for the club, why lfc paying wages to these useles fellow...

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  86. Luke how that turned out.

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  87. right, you are.

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