10 Jun 2015

Wow: Liverpool could sell 'genius' star for £41m; more 'valuable' than Benzema according to CIES

Despite his usual patches of inconsistency last season, Liverpool attacker Philipp Coutinho received a nomination for the PFA 'Player of the Year' award. He didn't win, but the Brazilian's stock is rising, and a new study by the International Centre for Sports Studies (CIES) Football Observatory suggests that Coutinho is now one of Europe's most 'valuable' players.

In what is surely one of greatest transfer coups in the Premier League era, Liverpool signed Coutinho back in 2013 for a comparatively piffling £8m, but according to the new CIES study:

* If Liverpool decided to cash-in on Coutinho - recently described as a 'genius' by John Aldridge - the club could legitimately demand a whopping £41m transfer fee.

* He is the 17th most valuable player in Europe, and is allegedly more valuable than the likes of Karim Benzema, Mario Gotze, Toni Kroos, and Koke.

Coutinho is an exciting players, and Liverpool are lucky to have him, but £41m? That seems a little over-valued to me, especially for a player who consistently struggles to score goals.

This season, for example, Coutinho grabbed a paltry 8 goals in 52 games (one every 6.5 games), and overall, since 2013, he's managed only 16 in 102 games, which equates to one every 6.3 games.

That's definitely not worth £41m, and I doubt any top club will pay that much for Coutinho.

Things may change, though. The Brazilian is only 22, and he's certainly capable of upping his game over the next few years, and when that happens, his value may even exceed that amount.

If Coutinho improves over the next couple of years, then transfer interest from other clubs is inevitable, and according to Brazilian legend Ronaldinho, Barcelona will probably come calling.

In a recent interview, Ronaldinho - who spent 5 years at the Nou Camp - urged 'fantastic' Coutinho to set his sights higher than Anfield:



"I know what Barcelona look for in a player and he [Coutinho] has all those qualities. Xavi has left and Iniestia is now in his 30's - they will need to address that. That is why I think Barcelona and Coutinho would be the perfect fit."

Coutinho recently insisted that he's 'happy at Anfield', but let's be realistic: if Barcelona come calling, there's only going to be one winner.

If Liverpool want to keep Coutinho in the long-term, then it's imperative that Reds start challenging for major honours sooner rather than later.

Is the club capable of doing that under the current management? No chance, which means Coutinho is likely to leave sooner rather than later.

Let's just hope that when Coutinho is inevitably sold, Liverpool get his full value, and don't get stiffed in the transfer market once again.

Author: Jaimie K



48 comments:

  1. I'm curious to see where the mercenary ranks on this list ;)

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  2. Who is writing these articles, Logan or JK, every article I have seen recently undermines OUR MANAGER.

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  3. Well to me, Coutinho is priceless :)

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  4. His goal against Mexico last night was pure Brazillian magic.

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  5. It's sad to think any descent player Liverpool have is linked to one of the top teams in Europe or Spain.But that's the reality of Liverpool now,when they have a manager in B.R that's take them nowhere.They don't want to stay at a club going nowhere,with a nowhere manager.

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  6. According to CIES Sterling is worth 60 million and is the 6th most valuable after that i took no more notice.

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  7. Why did you take no more notice? Is it because you think that your opinion is more accurate than a mathematically calculated result. Or did you simply not bother to check into how they arrived at there results.

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  8. So does that mean you think Liverpool can win the champion's league and challenge for the PL under Rodgers ?
    Because so far, our europeans campaigns, league results suggest that we won't and the quality of player brought in by Rodgers doesn't look like it'll change any time soon.

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  9. In all fairness Dave when Barcelona or Real Madrid come knocking no player is immune to their beauty...And it does become a far more difficult task keeping hold of our best players when someone like Rodgers is in charge

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  10. how was it mathematically calculated with Sterlings statistics please explain.
    Put Sterling on the market for 60 million plus even with FFP rules laxed i doubt seriously there will be any takers.

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  11. Ian Rush P660 G3461:07 am, June 10, 2015

    Over the season we seen Coutinho grow, especially in the second half of the season. He looks more confident shooting and he's definitely a danger now for any team he's playing against. Coutinho is a much better player than Sterling and only 2 years older. His goal against Mexico was beautiful. If he has a good Copa America, he could be worth £40m.

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  12. The paragraph i quote in a moment is your whole problem Jamie. And the reason you get most things completely wrong. Despite your factual stats based info, you fail see obvious things. It's like you blind yourself on stats.
    Anyway...the paragraphs

    ""....Coutinho is an exciting players, and Liverpool are lucky to have him, but £41m? That seems a little over-valued to me, especially for a player who consistently struggles to score goals.

    This season, for example, Coutinho grabbed a paltry 8 goals in 52 games (one every 6.5 games), and overall, since 2013, he's managed only 16 in 102 games, which equates to one every 6.3 games.

    That's definitely not worth £41m, and I doubt any top club will pay that much for Coutinho.....""





    Coutinho should not be measured by the amount of goals he scores. He is not now, or ever has been, 'a forward'. He is a midfield player. And as midfielder I'd be happy with a dozen goals a year out of him. 1 every 6 games isn't too bad for a MIDFIELDER. Question...How many goals a year does Iniesta score?? Or are you going to try and tell me he's not good enough because he doesn't score enough either?!!

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  13. The only maths that matter is the number of times the ball is the back of the net in real world when it comes to attackers. It is interesting though I had a look before at the website that comes up with these values for players based on various stats. age etc... Clever though!

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  14. Coutinho has all the attributes to be world class without a doubt! I think he is worth near the £40m mark in my own opinion maybe it's just me being bias as he's a great player and plays for LFC.

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  15. No I do not think that, if Br is replaced 2moro it would not bother me, but while he remains our Manager I will stand by him, its called loyalty, not to BR but to LFC, who he represents.

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  16. Oh, give over. It's not called loyalty, it's called enablement. I don't see you standing by Mario Balotelli with the same zeal. It's nothing personal, it's purely a football issue: Klopp is available; he'd almost certainly take the Liverpool job, and at this stage, he will probably do a better job than Rodgers, which in turn is good for Liverpool.

    The club is more important than the individual; you clearly believe the individual is more important than the club.

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  17. Can you read, ??????????

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  18. Clarence Seedorf was sh!te too..

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  19. Another thing, I would prefer if you did not reply to my posts, everytime I get the better of you, which I do 99% of the time, you just delete my posts,
    I dont need your censorship, so ignore me.

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  20. I want Rodgers gone and Klopp in! Loyalty to LFC i have by the bucket load thats why I want Rodgers gone because I don't think he is the right man for the job and come the start of the season if he is still in the job I will still support LFC to the ends of the earth that won't change a bit if he is there or not. If he by some miracle proves me and everyone else wrong I'll hold my hands up but the probability of him doing that I doubt very much but the probability of Klopp doing a better job is far more likely. thats why I want Klopp to be given the job mate

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  21. The Rumor Mill is @ it Again...i remember not long ago while complaining bitterly about Rodgers inability to coach Liverpool fc ..i sighted an overwhelming example of what becomes of Liverpool when our better players start leaving...EG:

    a) Sterling said he can't play under Rodgers

    b) Skertel's wages became a subject of public discourse

    etc
    Also talked about Rodgers signing misfits and claiming they are world class!!!

    a) lallana

    b) allen

    c) borini

    d)markovic

    e)loveren

    f) lambert

    g) balotelli

    etc

    playing players out of position (this isn't new)

    a) emre can

    b) markovic

    c) sterling

    etc

    the bottom line is this!!!! Does Rodgers think Fans are fools?? How will Coutinho not leave??? when he plays alongside misfits and technically inept players bought by Rodgers!!! Coutinho,watches the Champions league and sees his idols and former team mates at Liverpool carrying trophies! eg: Suarez,Neymar,Alves,etc

    Suarez,gave 65% to our second spot position,earning the European Golden boot Prize with Ronaldo of R. Madrid,qualifying us for champions league football,which we crashed out woefully because we had a weak coach that couldn't command respect of his prime players!! Couldn't read games and was just happy travelling around Europe and shaking hands with better managers!

    Selling Coutinho isn't a big deal...but where the problem sets in is buying useless replacements....and Rodgers and transfer department should be sacked!!!

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  22. Exactly. How many goals to Kroos and Modric score? Xavi and Rakitic? Not that many

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  23. These evaluations were very... interesting


    Lukaku @ 40m


    Welbeck more expensive than Alaba, Vidal


    Arjen Robben doesn't even make the list, making him worth less than 20m.


    The funniest thing is though, we are the 5th most rich club in the world in terms of player value. Yet we can't even make the top 5 in our own league.

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  24. It does not read that way to me Johnny has in no way iterated the employee is bigger than the club.
    What he is saying is he is supporting the clubs decisions which is not enablement but is supporting the club.

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  25. It's never a concern about who's going out. Every soccer player on earth has a price tag. Just pay the correct price and one can go, anytime. I'm more concern about the inability for the collective management team to spend money wisely at the transfer market, which is a phenomenon since FSG took over. You can sell any Luis Suarez for 75 mil pounds but throw 120 mil pounds away buying dross. Highly likely those bunch of dross will not come good and eventually sold at losses of roughly 50%. It is going to be quite a complex formula actually. To make things simple, I think it is a highly remarkable achievement if we can recoup the initial outlay for any outgoing star player who is supposedly a certain buy-low-sell-high case. It's not only a case of financial catastrophy but also a case of moving the club on a downward trajectory. Luis Suarez replaced by Lambert and Balo plus injuries to the glassman, our goals scored came down to 52 goals from 101 league goals in the league. Just a little thought, how many goals more could we have scored if glassman is ironman instead?

    I have just finished reading the article '2014–15 Liverpool F.C. season' at wikipedia. Downright pathetic are the only words I can think of at the moment to best summarise LFC's season 14/15, especially at the player transfer in/out section of the article.

    YNWA!

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  26. I wanted klopp also but after his former assistant comments about him wanting man u job made me think twice, thats all we need a undercover manc in charge! not that im happy with rodgers but i guess we are stuck with him till he gets fired unless he can turn things around.

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  27. Couts is one of the very few who upped his game last season, along with Hendu. I hope we don't sell and instead, do the right thing and add real striker quality for him to work with. Same at midfield. Would we be better with Markovic, Allen, Milner or an accomplished proven scorer, who can pass AND finish unlike some many of the current squad.....

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  28. Age plays a bit part in there value, the younger more promising players are worth more.

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  29. he will PROBABLY not definitely ,so what is to say it will improve ?

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  30. i thnk rodgers comprehensive plan's sthg to look fwd to n replacing d clinician in charge of a complicated procedure is usually a bad idea in a medical situation (yes tis is nt a medical situation bt u get me).. sooooo

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  31. Never mind Coutinho. Did you see how much sterling was valued at? Think he was above Suarez! Which for me makes a mockery of whoever this valuation group is.

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  32. Brendan Rodgers7:34 am, June 10, 2015

    Zidane never scored more than 12 goals in a season in his whole career.

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  33. If the surgeon is halfway through operating on me and turns to the nurse and asks "where does this bit go again" I would probably prefer him to be replaced.

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  34. Might have to put my 12 year old on the market.

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  35. what coutinho do on link up with others, his movement, his passes, i would say he worth 50million already

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  36. It's not all about the goal scoring stats though is it. The fact that he is only 22 and already pretty talented plays a big part. Also the fact that he has the potential to improve a hell of a lot.
    Yes, when he is playing, the stats matter, but when it comes to transfer values you have to look at the whole package, and a very young and exciting player who is one of the best young talents in England could have a pretty high fee.
    I think he could easily be sold for £30 million.

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  37. But I think where this program could fail is in it can't calculate a players a attitude and mental apptitude to develop and learn.

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  38. "The knee bone's connected to the....something. The something's connected to the.....red thing.The red thing's connected to my....wristwatch. Uh-oh"

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  39. I remember last season Madrid going all out for harzad only for him to reject them and stayed put. You reckon mourinho is the only difference

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  40. Yep thats it totally! Mourinho is a proven winner but if Mourinho left and if Real or Barca came knocking Hazards decision to turn them down would be that much more difficult

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  41. I never think individual is bigger than the club.But with all due respect Rodgers had been given enough time.He's clever but not enough for me.He cannot handle big moments consistently read no trophies what so ever.FSG might be partly to blame but Rodgers has to be strong enough to come out with that.And he says so much bull and throws too much diplomacy around .No doubt he's a very good young manager but surely not good enough for LFC so has been proved over time.LFC is a club in decline and history suggests that any club in decline manager is the key to turn the fortunes than any amount of money.I believe Ancelotti or Klopp are such people.Players want to play for him.Even an outspoken player like IBRA has got too much love and respect for ancelotti .Imagine how IBRA will react if Rodgers mumbles along with his bullshit .For the sake of LFC Rodgers out!But I genuinely hope Rodgers proves me wrong by January next season.I will be the happiest person.

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  42. We just recently challenged for a very major honour with Brendan in charge! Hope that's not considered sniping, I think us finishing second was a fact and as soon as I read your above assertion that we in fact have 'no chance' of doing exactly what we just did I too felt that opposing that view was fair game.

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  43. Why would this be considered sniping? As long as the comment policy is followed, people can vehemently disagree with me as much as they like. I welcome that.

    http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2008/01/comment-policy-liverpool-kopcom.html

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  44. Who could argue with that fellow Red, I know it all sounds a bit flower power but why we can't all agree that it's ok to have differing opinions on who should or shouldn't manage the Club whilst still remaining a loyal fan is beyond me.
    Not from yourself but I've just read that those who don't want BR out are not true fans or are even closet utd fans - hilarious!
    BRIN still for me but as with yourself my support for the Club/manager would not wavier should FSG change the picture.

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  45. Yep, can't see how any algorithmically produced value can be all that accurate, just too many incalculable factors to add to the equation. A big cliché but a fair one I think - something is only worth what someone is willing to pay and I don't see anyone paying £41million for Coutinho at the moment although in the future you can definitely see his worth surpassing that figure with ease.
    I expect in a season or two with the influx of TV money that 75mill will be the new 50mill and by then Couts could be worth £80million - a great bit of business on LFC's part - but he's not for sale!

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  46. Jaimie, in your opinion, what does it take a premier league club to win the league?

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  47. Only one thing is needed to win the Premier League: An experienced manager with a history of winning trophies. Every manager who's won the Premier League made their bones elsewhere:

    - Ferguson: Won 10+ trophies (including 5 league titles) at Aberdeen and St. Mirren.

    - Mourinho: League and Champions League winner with Porto.

    - Wenger: Won the league with Monaco

    - Ancelotti: 2 CL wins and the league at Milan.

    - Dalglish: Won league titles with Liverpool

    - Mancini: 9 trophies in Serie A, including 3 league titles.

    The only exception is Pellegrini, but unlike Rodgers, he is a vastly experienced manager, and was ready to take on a top team and challenge for the title.

    Everything else (i.e. good transfer decisions; tactical knowhow etc), comes from having the right manager.

    Liverpool have an good young coach who may develop into a trophy-winning manager in the future, but Rodgers is not the right man for Liverpool *now*.

    He may have been a coach for 20+ years, but he's still learning his trade, and Liverpool don't have time to wait whilst Rodgers undergoes on the job training.

    Without a history of winning trophies, it's next to impossible to win the Premier League, and history proves that.

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