22 Apr 2015

Trouble Ahead? The Origi issue that could cause big problems for Liverpool

After an underwhelming season in France, on-loan Liverpool striker Divock Origi is due to arrive at Anfield this summer, and fans will be hoping that the Belgian youngster is able to hit the ground running. After a miserable season overall, Origi clearly needs a change, and the extra motivation of being at LFC will hopefully push the striker to the next level. With Daniel Sturridge's ongoing injury problems, Liverpool will inevitably rely on Origi to pick up the slack, but after a long, hard season, will he be able to do that?

In my view, there's a major issue related to £10m Origi that no one is really considering: potential burnout.

* Origi - who only turned 20 a few days ago is arguably being overplayed by Lille.
* So far, he's made 39 appearances, and there's still another month of the season to go.
* Add on his 7 apps for Belgium, and it's 46 appearances overall.
* Add in the World Cup, and Origi hasn't had a proper break for almost a year.

With Origi leaving at the end of the season, Lille have no vested interest in looking after his fitness and development, which explains why they're currently rinsing him as much as possible.

Raheem Sterling is in the same situation: 47 appearances already this season at the age of 20 (which is far too many), but least Liverpool granted him a much-needed mid-season break to recharge.

Not that it made much difference - Sterling looked jaded in the first half of the season, and after a mid-season resurgence, he's back to having minimal specific, measurable impact on Liverpool's results.

With that in mind, after being overplayed, there's a very real danger that Origi could turn up at Anfield this summer totally exhausted (in a football sense), and susceptible to injuries (or even carrying an injury),

It's rarely a good idea for teenagers to play so many games, and Origi's travails this season and this could have an affect on his ability to hit the ground running next year.

Origi needs a good, long rest this summer, but travelling to Australia for a pre-season tour is not really conducive to achieving that.

The last thing Liverpool need is another striker on the sidelines through injury, so hopefully Liverpool will ensure Origi is well-rested this summer.

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182 comments:

  1. Theycallmemrburt9:14 pm, April 22, 2015

    I think our major problem with Origi wont be the amount of games he plays but his dismal goalscoring record. 84 career games 15 career goals.

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  2. 10m for a belgian yesil. i hope he does well but won't be surprised if he isn't there in three years time. i couldn't care less about sterling. burn him out for his next club, i say.

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  3. He's going to have a 3 to 4 week break, I'm sure he'll be fine by the time he strolls into Melwood.

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  4. totally exhausted?? LOL. Mate i have seen people totally exhausted and to be honest it was normally after a 24 hour straight shift after them carrying an awesome weight over kilometres in humid bare based environments with no rub downs or ice baths after the job, just back to a shitty hot tent to do it all again 24 hours later!

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  5. Thierry Henry, before joining Arsenal 171 career games, 34 goals. Stats aren't everything in football.


    Note: I hardly think Origi is anywhere near Henry, but I don't want to put Origi down before he even starts a game for Liverpool.

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  6. Theycallmemrburt9:55 pm, April 22, 2015

    You raise an interesting point point. But those 171 games were largely spent on the wing. Has Origi been playing wide for Lille. Thats a genuine question because I dont know.

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  7. Theycallmemrburt9:57 pm, April 22, 2015

    Also he reminds me a lot of Sinama Pongolle, Milan Baros and to an extent David Ngog. I honestly dont think he is the answer but I'm here to be proved wrong.

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  8. I would say from the maybe 10 games that I have watched Lille play this season he has played maybe 60% on the wing and 40% down the middle.

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  9. I really do not buy this burnout myth. It's 1-2 games of football a week. Surely being the 'world-class athletes' that they are they should be fit enough to cope with that on a regular basis. If they are in that desperate need of rest then they should be rested in training, not in matches.

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  10. Sterling scored in our last league game. Is that not a specific measurable impact?

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  11. It's not just that though is it? - it's 1-2 games of high intensity premier league football ON TOP of regular training sessions throughout the week. Take that over a season, that's going to be tough on the body (I imagine). And burnout doesn't necessarily mean the players get tired, susceptibility to injuries needs to be factored in as well. It's hardly a myth.

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  12. Yip he has been played on the left wing much of the time.

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  13. He is our top scorer. I suppose it depends on the specifics of this measure hey.

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  14. I think the major problem is we have to stop replying to Liverpool Kop ,He is a Manc get real ,everything he says has a ? after IT

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  15. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Sterling and Kevin Mirallas have scored a similar amount of goals this season. That's not to diminish either of their efforts, but Sterling is hardly pulling an Owen at this point.

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  16. You went to the trouble of creating a troll profile... Groovy.

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  17. Oh please......


    at 30-150k per week its incentive enough mate...


    try this for measure; working 10-16 hours per day 5-6 sometimes 7 days per week....on your feet.....hard isn't it...?


    ....now add in the fact that you are NOT allowed any mistake not one in that entire time...full concentration.....medicine is exhaausting my friend and at £500 per week starting thats even tougher...


    so please lets give this mental and physical exhaustion boll**** a rest and be a bit real....


    they are 18-32 years old not flip**** 45+....

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  18. Oh please......

    at 30-150k per week its incentive enough mate...

    try this for measure; working 10-16 hours per day 5-6 sometimes 7 days per week....on your feet.....hard isn't it...?

    ....now add in the fact that you are not allowed any mistake not one in that entire time...full concentration.....medicine is exhausting my friend and at £500 per week starting thats even tougher...

    so please lets give this mental and physical exhaustion bo****** a rest and be a bit real....

    they are 18-32 years old not f****g 45+....

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  19. You hit the nail on the head; the specifics of the measurement has been the dross served up by his fellow strikers, and not the prolific total that the title 'top scorer' would usually be associated with.

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  20. It is absolutely a myth. Footballers only train for about 3 hours a day, with maybe a 1 hour gym session thrown in every now and then. The average player runs what, roughly 10km in a 90 minute match? I do 3 5km runs a week and it takes me 20-25 mins at a steady-fast jog. Not particularly difficult. Then plus an hour doing weights at the gym 5 times a week, plus 6 hours of school a day sandwiched in between. I'm also not including the regular football/tennis/squash after school or on the weekends. Oh, and I rarely get more than 7 hours of sleep a night. I'm 18, average fitness, and I cope just fine. They're some of the fittest athletes in the world, and are essentially forced into getting a healthy amount of rest each night and after training/matches, as well as getting world-class dietary information to make sure their bodies are getting the nutrition they need. They should be able to handle their regime fairly comfortably, without the need for a mid-season holiday to Jamaica. Oh, and if they have been training properly, building muscular endurance as well as stretching appropriately, their muscles are certainly not going to become progressively weaker and more prone to injury over the course of a season, only to miraculously recover during the off-season (the period where their muscles progressively weaken and become less fit due to the lack of training). Rant over.

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  21. My comment had a big ditto on that and went to moderation....


    Where's funcdoc when you need him...? Let's get his views on burnout physical and mental when you've had three-four hours sleep every night and have to work ten to sixteen hours daily without any leeway for mistakes - none...that is modern medicine...


    and they dont earn thirty to one hundred and fifty grand a week doing it either....


    quite rightly donkey kong it is a myth...

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  22. I for one is on your side.

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  23. I agree whole heartedly with the article and may i say JK well done these people who think the grass is going to be instantly greener over the other side are so mistaken.
    We dont have the talent to go a long way yet Rodgers is a good manager anyway even though our squad is very ordinary and we have spent up.

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  24. Dalglish was behind the times end of story.

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  25. No but they know it can take time to turn things around and if you think this squad has title winning written all over it you are kidding yourself.

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  26. I said 'results', plural. 3 assists in 18 games; 2 goals in 13 games at the business end of the season is not good enough, especially for a player who thinks he's worth a ridiculous amount of money.

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  27. Yes, top scorer with 7 goals in the league; amazing! Sterling is really blazing a trail at Liverpool.

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  28. Mate, Rodgers' first KPI wasn't the title, it was top 4. At the end of 3 years after he took over, we look likely to be in no better position than we were when he first arrived. A key KPI was to make progress by year 3, and we've failed to do that. They probably wanted to see a trophy or two as well. If BR hadn't completely butchered it before Christmas, we'd be in the top 4 right now. We had a perfect opportunity to take advantage of United's period of weakness while they were settling in under LVG, and we failed.

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  29. Yeah understood Nick i believe Rodgers is a capable manager and above all else some stability would be a very good thing.
    I doubt very much that a new manager will instantly turn around our fortunes and i would like to believe the new players will improve next season and the team will improve on this seasons efforts.

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  30. I think that Rodgers will some day be a great manager. My issue is that I don't believe Liverpool should be some kind of classroom for a manager to learn his trade. I think I've bought into JK's theory that big managers attract big (or bigger) players, and I reckon that we'd have a lot more luck in the transfer market this summer with someone like Klopp instead of Rodgers. I didn't really care if Rodgers left or not until Klopp quit BVB. IMO, when guys like this are available, and they've openly admitted admiration for your club, then you need to grasp the opportunity. I don't think there's been a better opportunity to sign a big name manager than this. He'd perfect. He's young, yet still very experienced, and more importantly, a winner.

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  31. Klopp still may end up elsewhere though Nick i find admiration a fleeting thing where money is involved.
    No doubt Klopp does have great credentials i am still not sure even with Klopp we will score any big names and anyway he cant work miracles.
    This team does need reshaping but we also need some kind of stability if Klopp fails what then the buck stops somewhere surely.

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  32. I don't think that Klopp getting us to the top 4 would exactly be a work of miracles. There is a risk that Klopp would fail, but doesn't everything have risk attached to it? I'm not saying we'd definitely land him, but it's *absolutely* worth a try. Ideally, FSG talk to him before they flick Rodgers.

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  33. They would speak to him first for sure but saying he decides on not coming should we still flick Rodgers Nick in your opinion.

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  34. I don't know. I'd only do it if someone better was out there. De Boer would be an option too.

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  35. I'm hearing that BR will likely not be here after season's end anyway.

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  36. Dalglish does not have draw power anymore.

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  37. By the look of things, we're in serious need of a striker overhaul in the summer. Either that or Rodgers has to seriously give thought to a system that brings out the best in our current strikeforce. In an ideal world we'd have two or three strikers capable of hitting at least 10 goals a season rather than putting all our eggs into a superstriker basket. Origi and Sterling are and should be auxilliary strikers at best and Sturridge has to be properly managed so as to be able to stave off excessive injury absences. Looking at our current strikers, it's anybody's guess why we've suffered a drought in front of goal with Mario and Lambert never being prolific, the latter being a backup. Nothing in Borini's career thus far has hinted that he would be the answer either, three goal shy factors which have made the sale of Suarez that more agonising.

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  38. If Origi is brought in this Summer for anything other than the 3 rd or 4 th choice striker then the people making the decisions in this transfer committee should all be fired.
    He's an unproven kid. Liverpool needs a top quality, clinical experienced striker to lead the line like every other club has in the top 4.
    Sturridge can't be trusted due to his fitness and injury record so hope the club spends big this Summer for a reliable goal getter.

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  39. Talk is rife about that and i know that this seems to be the case im probably fighting an uphill battle oh well.

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  40. Ha, at least I admire your support for BR.

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  41. I think there is no problem with Origi being rested if our team remains fit his tush is well and truly going to warming a lot of benches and thats if he even gets picked.

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  42. Sterling's effectiveness in terms of goals and assists retains him firmly within the bounds of 'potential' and we risk losing sight of this fact when big money hyperbole kicks in. This blind-siding antic is exactly what he and his advisors are up to, I think. So, I say LFC should either discipline him financially in line with his 'potential' contributions and sell him, without hesitation, if he can't be tamed. LFC, get serious and show 'em who's boss.

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  43. Remember when we were kids? We played for six hours straight, every day of summer. A 20 year old shouldn't burn out so easily.

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  44. Fuelled by e numbers.
    Those were the days :)

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  45. I doubt he will walk straight into the first team with all our players fit. I'm not too worried about him burning out, Rogers has good man management and asseses all the players conditions and gives them all individual routines

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  46. Oh to be 18 again! And yes a myth busting post.

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  47. We have been linked with Immobile and Mandzukic in recent days, Sturridge, Origi, one of the above and maybe Ings too would be a decent group of strikers. Obviously that would depend on us offloading Ballotelli, Borini and Lambert.

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  48. It is not a myth at all I studied burnout in college. Bodies of top end athletes endure more shock than an average well condition citizen. Think about it, they run harder and faster and are capable of twisting, turning, stopping on dime. All of which make them the top rather just average. They are still human and it can only take so much, some like Sturridge have a hard time sustaining there bodies cause they are human. Plus there is the mental state. Travel is extremely hard on us, both physically and mentally, but it grinds on people consistently moving and not sleeping in the same place, often causing mental exhaustion which then comprises us physically cause in depleted mental states we tend to ignore our bodies warning signs that something is wrong and we need to back off, we tell ourselves its cause we're tired and we try to push through it often causing injury. Then injury can cause our mental state to get even worse and is especially hard on athletes cause this is all they know and ultimately how they earn a living. Plus throw in the fact that most top end guys play to be the best, missing games takes opportunities to do that away and can be mentally depriving as well. World cup and euro years are very difficult on players cause of lack of rest and travel. It would be a safe bet that players that consistently play for club and country sustain higher amounts injuries after major tournaments than an non international player.

    Some players, like Saurez, may seem to not get injured, but more likely they have a different pain barrier level and can cow with minor knocks better.

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  49. If he wasn't getting plenty of game time; I suppose the article would have read, 'Wasted Potential? Origi's lack of game will hamper his development'

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  50. and his sweet ass legs.

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  51. One thing is for sure, Klopp has a fixed sytem of play. Does not chop and change and knows exactly what works and does not so we will have stability on the pitch instead of having a different plan every season.


    Rodgers has still not settled on the way we play on the pitch. After three years we can not have a manager that is still experimenting.


    We will be extremely lucky to get a coach like Klopp.

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  52. but city won the leg ahead of us so even if they spent the same amount of money they have the leg to show for it. BR has nothing

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  53. In some games it actually looks like Pascoe will be giving BR instructions!!

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  54. I would like Coates to stay. BR did not improve Skrtel

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  55. His tactics and training were reckless. He destroyed his players. In the end they couldn't respond to the new challenge posed by Bayern, who could spend their way out of trouble, and who could change, and simply withered. Klopp exploited good players in a similarly ruthless way to Mourinho. But Mourinho has always got massive resources at his back, can replace players he breaks or who don't follow him unquestioningly like *that*. Dortmund couldn't support such an operation. So Klopp had a shelf life, he always did -- unless Dortmund were going to spend £200m + a tripled or quadrupled wage bill.

    Can Liverpool do that? Is that what we want? Will players on Liverpool-size salaries, with Liverpool-size expectations, listen to him and respond? We've seen plenty of these kinds of demanding coaches crash and burn at clubs in the past. The chemistry was right for him at Dortmund. He was the right coach at the right time. But Liverpool? I don't see it. Livepool is big-time in a way Dortmund could never be. His manner comes across as charmingly naive as coach of a locally huge but continentally nothing club like BvB. But in charge of one of world football's greatest and oldest powers? I don't think it would be quite the same situation. I think actually that Klopp would be as smart to steer clear of Liverpool as Liverpool would be to steer clear of Klopp.


    I don't feel Rodgers has the same flaws. His work seems sustainable, he's interested in and talks about getting players to stay the course, to learn and develop over their careers, not just to run and win for a couple of years before blowing up. He's also led the club from a situation where we were really on the brink of vanishing to the level of an Aston Villa, or Leeds, to being in the running for trophies, bringing us closer to the title than anyone for 25 years, and playing the best football seen at Anfield for 20. This as much as anything has put Liverpool back on the map.


    There are little changes and improvements everywhere, throughout the club, that you can see come from Rodgers' way of doing things, his calm and consistent personality, his pride in his work, his seriousness about football. He's a fantastic coach, who has made Liverpool a club to be proud of. I think discarding him before his work has borne fruit would be outrageous.

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  56. It's not great by any means and it's certainly not worth 150k a week. I was just making the point he's has more specific measurable impact than anyone else this season

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  57. It does put it in another light, however. He was a short-term coach whose methods made short-term gains, but who couldn't stay the course, and whose players eventually lost belief in his methods, or couldn't match his expectations, or who didn't understand how to coach players of lesser ability than those he started out with at BvB. I'm skeptical!

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  58. You are describing Klopp's main weakness and Rodgers' main strength.


    It's the weakness that finally undermined his good work at BvB. He didn't understand how to develop players that could think and act for themselves or play in different ways to suit different problems or moments in the game. He didn't understand how to adapt.


    Inflexibility is not a positive quality in the coach of a top football club. it has not and will not ever be.


    By that measure Rodgers is a much better coach than Klopp. We wouldn't be getting Klopp for his coaching anyway.


    Why we'd get Klopp would be because we wanted a manager with the things Rodgers doesn't have: namely profile, authority, and a track record of trophy-winning seasons, to attract a higher calibre of player to the club. Not because he's a better coach. He isn't. It would be about publicity and prestige. It's not the right time for that.


    Rodgers is building a good squad at Liverpool. If you compare how things are now to how they were 3 years ago, when the squad was just a total disaster structurally, totally reliant on one or two players, it's an amazing transformation. He's done brilliantly, and the things he's done will continue to have a positive influence on the club for years to come.


    Unless, that is, we get in a reckless, all-guns-blazing coach like Jurgen Klopp, who will tear it all up and start again. I actually like the man and his teams, though I don't sound like it! But it's just not the time. It really isn't.

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  59. Amazingly said. Thank you.

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  60. That article is as sound proof as any transfer rumor. None of that is based on any factual fiat hand quotes whatsoever. That is a paper trying to sell papers.

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  61. How did they arrive at 10 million pounds get out clause in the first place. They should lose it if there was that stupidity. Anyhow taking an holistic view of Rodgers, he should go. Enough of this this merry go round meen.

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  62. Because it would mean taking someone off and opening the team up to the counter. Rodgers still believed that we would make chances through our system right up until the end, then finally rolled the dice on the chance that we might get something from a set-piece.


    It's not really incomprehensible is it.

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  63. "Bolatelli". Way to shoot yourself in the foot.

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  64. I agree with u brother. And there is plenty more to the mess.

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  65. Very much in tandem with u. Tell them.

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  66. Again, amazing.

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  67. It's not a get out clause, but a certain amount is guaranteed no matter what. After each year that number decreases cause more of the guarantee has already been fulfilled.

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  68. I'm sure you can tutor with all those trophies you have right?

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  69. I agree with this. There is an upside though, short-term. A long hard season like that is good preparation for the demands of English football. He'll then get a full close-season with Liverpool, with no contract troubles to worry about, and everything will be there for him to hit the ground running. Looking forward to seeing him. Still not a big fan of that buy-to-let arrangement though, and hope it doesn't become a thing for us.


    Things are still coming together nicely at Liverpool, I think. There's plenty of work to do -- we need an extra player for the squad in every area of the pitch: at least a defender, a midfielder, and a striker, no question. But perhaps what might make the biggest difference is for Ojo, Ibe, and Sinclair to come through and make it stick. The potential in those three is just so exciting.

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  70. Remember when we were playing against elite athletes trained to exploit the slightest weakness in the opposition, so that being able to move with anything less than full mobility would mean we were totally ineffective?


    No... no, neither do I.

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  71. Really good post mate, the only thing I'll dispute is I think it's shock that kills people as opposed to pain itself.

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  72. Yeah it's pretty good.


    In his 4th pro season, Cristiano Ronaldo's record read played 47, scored 12 in all competitions.


    Sterling in his 4th pro season, played 45, scored 11 so far.


    So he's only, you know, just as effective as the world's most efficient player was at the same age.


    They are the kinds of numbers that have made the whole football world sit up and take notice... with one exception... ; )

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  73. Aw thanks!


    I am supposed to be writing something for work, but all my words are getting sucked in here...


    Can't... stop... opinionating... :)

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  74. "It's the weakness that finally undermined his good work at BvB. He didn't understand how to develop players that could think and act for themselves or play in different ways to suit different problems or moments in the game. He didn't understand how to adapt."



    This simply is not true. Klopp took a team of unknowns winning the Bundesliga twice in a row. Klopp has gone through all of his experiments already and knows what works and does not work. You speak for a man who has won trophies and had to do that by being better than Bayern Munich. Dortmund were in a mess when Klopp took over. He almost won the CL so for your summary about Klopp is your opinion, not fact.

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  75. Granted I didn't factor in jet lag etc. However with Liverpool that's hardly a problem is it. Sterling's break in Jamaica by this logic would have damaged him more than had he not gone. My main point though was that their muscles do not simply degenerate over a season, to the point of being more susceptible to injuries. You have partially explained this through 'mental tiredness' and therefore play through niggles etc and get injured. I will however still argue that burnout is a myth, as if your argument is true then it is down to poor coaching and poor awareness by the club physios etc to notice that the player is in need of a rest, and going back to my first comment, should be rested in training rather than in matches. The burnout theory to me then to be due to the poor coaching and physiotherapy by the club, as temporary degenerative diseases do not strike the muscles mid-season only to wear off in the summer. Hence, in my opinion, burnout is still a myth.

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  76. I disagree. I think it is the time for that. Gerrard's departure further diminishes our status as a big club. Publicity and prestige is what Liverpool need. We'd also get Klopp because he's a proven winner.

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  77. But Klopp wouldnt cost anything in compensation so even if the reports are true that it would cost 10 mill in comp to get Bodgers out it would be 10 mill overall for Bodgers out and Klopp in.. they paid Woy nearly 7 million comp and im sure at least 3 to get Mr bean out of Swansea so i dont see that as being a problem.. plus i doubt it would be 10 mill comp to Rodgers. he only signed a new 3 year deal which he is a year into so 10 mill comp for a 2 year contract sounds way 2 much.. even id they had to pay out his contract forbes released the top earning managers few months back and rodgers new contract was worth an estimated 3.25 mill a year which would be 6.5 mill comp.. anyway no matter what the situation is he has to be sacked for his many failings and with Klopp available for free its not even a debate that should be taking place

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  78. Well he did sign a worldclass player in suarez. Who had had a brilliant wc save the handball and had been in the same boat as depay(goal king in eridivisle) who we're never going to be able to sign under Mr. Rodgers.

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  79. Hi ho diddly o there neighbourino.

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  80. Behind what times may I ask?
    He took us to 2 finals and almost won both. Getting results against the so called rich teams of city,United and che (save the final). And we only gave him 1 year. He was a worldclass player and had won 2 premier ship titles. Isn't that the same number as wenger? Who we lost Sanchez too by the way. He never got to utilise suarez in full flow goal scoring form if he had we would have won the league because he wouldn't have made the same mistakes as rodgers has in pivotal fixtures.

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  81. Not trained athletes perhaps but some of those girls on our estate were pretty mean. A lack of mobility during kiss chase could have proved fatal and we only had bblackjacks to keep us going

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  82. Well he's not the one they gave the job too. He's not suggesting he's the one to replace or tutor him. But Mr. Rodgers has failed and even u can see that. 3 years no trophies after the worst start in 50 years. Tell me if ud rather have him than klopp or Rafa.

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  83. Suarez wasn't established as a world class player

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  84. With Gerrard leaving, would anyone still recognize us as a big club? Not sure, Why would fsg have to think twice about paying BR 10m to get him out when it's clear he will certainly waste another 100m if given. klopp would atleast attract better players and take us back were we belonged

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  85. U think so? What constitutes as a worldclass player?

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  86. Yess..Sad but true.Brendan Rodgers look like not so creative while critical game.After lost Luis Suarez,LFC cannot move far away to get trophy even serius contender team.

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  87. I feel BR deserves at the very least another full season with Liverpool. Steven Gerrard's last season has been a very distracting figure for a young manager like BR to exert his full authority. Ironically trying to accommodate SG into the team could have been the reason for Liverpool's dismal current season. Blame should be directed at who has been the main decision maker on all player purchases the past 3 seasons. FSG too needs to review their money ball tactics in purchasing players. Their reluctance to spend 2 Januaries ago may have costed us the Epl title.

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  88. people always forget the age, after all, we don't expect him to match Suarez, do we?

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  89. So sick of Steve Nicol, replace himwith somebody worth listening to... On one hand we have Nicol, on the other, everybody else...There's only one winner.. Replace him...

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  90. But he's also a proven loser. He lost the CL final. He lost Dortmund's authority in the league.


    He has good qualities but he's not perfect, not by any means.

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  91. That shouldn't be the case. A manager of a club should put the club's performance overall than anyone at the club including his own. If the player isn't good enough then he needs to be dropped. And as for who the main transfer decision maker not being rodgers it's been long been suspected but then again is that not one of the reasons we need a top manager who can stand up to anyone not helping him do his job properly. I doubt lvg or mou or even wenger have anyone impeding them because of their Pedigree. We need a top four manager before we fall behind any further behind the other clubs. Who have one top man leading way while we have a motley crew of amateurs from the boss Ayre to Rodgers.

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  92. But you don't address my point at all.


    Do you think Klopp is good at adaptation?


    He took 3 years to win the league. His initial impact was not very impressive.



    And when he won it, he won it not by beating Bayern, but by beating Leverkusen, because Bayern were in transition.


    Don't lecture me about facts!

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  93. Rafa also use to win trophies as I can remember. And since he left had he stopped winning trophies? I remember him winning something last year and the year before if I'm not mistaken of course.

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  94. Redboondocksaint12:05 pm, April 23, 2015

    Well if you look at Skrtles goals , duals won, interceptions and arial duals in the past 2 years it is better than his first few years statistically. So it would be fair to say Under Rodgers he has improved....

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  95. Well yeah. He is our top scorer. He should have more but it shows how little we are creating as a team. Like I say those specifics.

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  96. Agreed but he is still our top.scorer. Like I say depends on the specifics of this measurement.

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  97. Agree 101% - BR has been given quite a lot of money to splash and the return on this has been simply POOR. At this stage, we are NOT progressing, ending up somewhere between 5-7 in the league. For an outlay of well over £200m in 3 years time, this is not good enough.

    Would defo go for Klopp, proven manager!

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  98. Simply clueless!

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  99. His initial impact was not very impressive?


    Go compare how much money Jurgen Klopp has been given to spend vs Brendan Rodgers.


    I rest my case.

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  100. I would even take Rafa back ... at least he could win something!

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  101. Yeah, I enjoyed that post too Jock...


    until I remembered Kenny Dalglish, Souness, the lists could go on and the players a generation before them too.....are still alive, knees still moving and all looking pretty good to me...


    they didn't get much of a rest weren't paid four hundred million for smoking a shisha pipe or given the kind of science only reserved for space travel just so they can play a game of footie twice a week.....


    but I'm just a normal bloke with two eyes.....

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  102. That's a ridiculously harsh thing to say. A proven loser is someone who is defined by failure, and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks Klopp meets that criteria.

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  103. To be fair, today's top players play about double the amount of games

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  104. We were going nowhere during the King's return, sadly.

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  105. Yeah, I see that too!

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  106. Wilfried Bony sends his envy.

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  107. Nothing to worry about.Divock Origi will get a break in the summer and will be a impact player next season.Even if he does turn up slightly jaded, he'll come to Liverpool with the extra energy of wanting to impress for his new club.
    Origi's Lille stats this season: 39 matches, scoring 8 with 4 assists.Mario Balotelli, Lambert and Fabio Borini's flop stats combined: 74 games 8 goals and 2 assists.

    I've watched a few Lille matches this season.I think he'll do better than some people think with the extra quality our creatives will hopefully provide.Origi should fit nicely, giving us a good striking impact option from the bench.Something we clearly don't have.
    Liverpool need another striker to take the production load away from him.Sturridge is guaranteed to get injured next season.We shouldn't rely on Origi to be our main man when that happens.

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  108. Are you spamming for the sake of it?

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  109. True - I hope we use a proper 9 next season. Liverpool's top scorers should be getting between 15 and 20 in the league.

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  110. Fair play Jock...

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  111. Yes. Yes, we do. If he doesn't bed in immediately he will be considered a transfer flop. Let's just hope there are no square peg round hole issues. Deification commence!

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  112. His recruitment was poor and his plan to use Downing and Carroll in attack was outdated and destined to fail cups well how seriously do the top dogs take them!!!!!!!!!

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  113. Sack the chairman!!

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  114. I do like Klopp, I'd never seen teams play so aggressively in elite football before, asking the question -- "how good are you" -- of every team they faced. No respect. It was cool. When they had the quality to punish the opposition it was kinda frightening, but really they were dependent on individual quality to an alarming degree. They were also very one-dimensional. They were just going to play that way, every game, no matter what, pretty much. And unless he could bring in new legs every window, it was going to be hard to sustain the team's momentum.


    What I like about BR's Liverpool, or one of the things I like about them, is that they are unpredictable, all kinds of subtle things going on that make incremental gains. I love how little coaching BR does during the game, how much responsibility he gives his players to make decisions beyond basic positioning and marking duties. It's an approach with "long-term planning" written all over it. I don't see that in Klopp's way of doing things at all.

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  115. Various sources saying Henderson has now signed a new 5yr deal

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  116. I can't be bothered with your illogical nonsense, sorry Logan.

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  117. You have exterminated Robo well done.

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  118. Sorry, I don't think I am "spamming". "Spamming" does not mean "writing things that Chirag disagrees with".

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  119. Spamming means writing nonsense and you did that by writing Klopp is a loser.

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  120. Yeah ok, fair enough. I wrote that because I don't think the way he's being talked up is realistic. In truth I don't think that the categories "winner" and "loser" are very useful when it comes to figuring out how good someone is at their work. People sometimes "win" for all the wrong reasons, in spite of their mistakes and shortcomings, and "lose" for all the right ones. Football virtually exists to teach us that lesson -- it's very good at ramming it home, time after time after time...


    So to be more serious about it, Klopp has strengths and weaknesses, just as any coach does. His strengths are apparent in his motivated and well-drilled teams, and in the positive press his charismatic persona has generated to date. His weaknesses are disclosed by the ways in which his team has come up short even in the medium term, and their failure to capitalise on success by building a lasting legacy, which I believe is a problem that is partly down to his unsustainable, high-intensity tactics.


    I infer that he is a coach whose methods may have a short-term impact, but which may come at a cost. My question is whether this is a cost we are prepared to pay, and my *personal* answer is that it's not something Liverpool FC needs. I'd rather see a coach with a more long-term developmental focus, and I find that Rodgers meets that preference. It's something he has in common with most of the best managers in English football history, from Shankly to Ferguson. It's a rare gift, and I think we should be very careful about letting someone with that kind of capability go, because it may be a while before we get another man of that quality to the club.

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  121. Sturridge out (Hip) Saturday v. West Brom

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  122. I think burnout for young players might be a bit of a myth. A 17 year old that plays regular then starts getting injuries between the ages of 25 to 27ish, is this burnout or just the body getting older. I know 25 is not exactly old but many players start picking up injuries later on that you wouldn't necessarily pick up in your teens. Injuries are more likely in your late 20s, then in your early 30s the likelyhood is more and so on.

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  123. Well Rodgers cannot do anything wrong can he?

    Yet Klopp is a proven loser?


    Self-opinionated comes to mind and calling Klopp a proven loser is just plain clueless.

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  124. With that logic, does that mean we are still a big club simply because we have a 34-year-old Gerrard currently on the team?

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  125. No.


    Until we change our wage structure, we will not be able to compete with the likes of ManU, Man City, Chelsea, and Arsenal on the transfer front. And without UCL, that means we'd have to pay even more (which we won't do).


    And it won't matter who our manager is.

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  126. If losing the CL Final is the definition of a "loser", sign me up.


    I'd rather lose the CL Final than miss out on the CL annually.

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  127. Championship manager at its best that many ins and outs.

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  128. LFC simply cannot afford the wage structure of UTD, their revenue is far beyond LFC's but it does not mean thy have a better squad than Arsenal or LFC. Arsenal are slightly ahead of us regarding wages (4th highest in the league) yet are second in the league ahead of UTD with being the highest and City the 2nd highest.


    UTD were just as diabolical as LFC at the start of the season.


    What was our wage structure last season and we finished 2nd ahead of Chelsea and Arsenal.

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  129. You're right; we can't afford the wage structure.


    And until we change that, we won't be able to compete in the transfer market with them.


    Here is the 2015 annual wage bill according to TotalSportek.com in UK Pounds


    Utd - 214m
    MCity - 206m
    Arsenal - 180m
    Chelsea - 176m
    Liverpool - 82m


    That takes into account new deals for Sturridge, Coutinho, and Henderson.


    In other words, based on wages alone, Liverpool are right where we should be - 5th.


    Furthermore, you referenced last year's finish...


    It was purely an anomaly.


    We had arguably one of the top 5 players in the world (Suarez), who carried us on his shoulders. We were out of the cups relatively early and no Europe, which freed up our schedule to only focus on the league.

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  130. It has been confirmed by the official website. Done deal.

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  131. I wrote a long response that got eaten up by the moderation.


    To summarize, TotalSportek has the wages as follows:


    United - 214
    City - 206
    Arsenal - 180
    Chelsea - 176
    Liverpool - 82


    As you can see from their data, we are significantly behind on annual wages.

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  132. You have the figures completely wrong. I visited the same site.

    Manchester United £215.8m2
    Manchester City £205m
    Chelsea £192.7m
    Arsenal £166.4m
    Liverpool £140m



    Wages do not tell the whole story. Our wage bill was less last season and we are doing far worse this season.

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  133. Come now Bob, you have read enough of my comments to know I don't deify anyone... But I won't sit here and listen to such nonsense...

    Anyway, I've already writte nto Downing Street for the next honours list, I have Brendan name next to the entry for a Knighthood....

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  134. Far more knowledgable about Klopp than me, however, I think he sale of Goetze and Lewandowski and the injuries to Reus this season has played a part in the decline of Dortmund, also that teams around them adapted to their high pressing games. I will say big similarities to BR this season.

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  135. It's going to be a very strange situation between him and the club in the next few years

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  136. Ofcourse, we have heard players such as Pirlo, Torres et al, branding him world class at this stage

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  137. Pieter Engelbrecht5:27 pm, April 23, 2015

    how can you let illori go if he has not had the oppurtunity to prove himself.This is plain ludcrious

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  138. Johnson is the one to blame for not creating enough chance 🐵

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  139. Well I did remember dalglish holding on to leads when we were ahead. Bringing on defence minded players to kill off games. And also beating Chelsea twice in a week. I also remember granted we didn't play the most exciting football we didn't throw away leads. He deserved more Time than he was given certainly a better coach than rodgers. Last year was down to suarez performing outrageously and with out him and rodgers at the helm we'll be lucky to finish above 6th. I also certainly remember dalglish never having to watch an lfc team he managed being battered like we're were against arsenal.

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  140. Wow. ...This must be how the owners felt when the hired a bunch of nobodies with no experience at the highest level like Ian Ayre, Cimolli and rodgers to run a prestigious club like liverpool. Same idealistic non results based attitude is the reason we haven't won the league in a quarter century and havnt won the champions league in ten years. While other clubs are firing managers who won the league prior to under achievement in their subsequent seasons. And we wonder why we are lagging behind and cannot compete in the transfer market. This my fellow kopites is why☝☝☝☝. A man goes 3 years without a trophy has the worst transfer record in the league (even though the transfer committee should share the blame) and he should stay on. Wow

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  141. But we aren't exactly having big names knocking down our doors with him here.


    So this idea that our status will change that dramatically is a bit of an exaggeration.

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  142. I stand corrected on the wage totals. They have conflicting reports on the same site. To get the LFC number (the one I was way off on), I added their projected salaries together and multiplied by 52. Didn't think I'd get an exact number, but figured I'd get a ballpark (which I didn't).


    As it relates to the difference in league performance this year to last year, I stand by what I detailed that below (Suarez, condensed schedule, anomaly).


    And to add to that, ManU, Arsenal (Sanchez), and Chelsea (Costa) all improved. We go back far enough and they go forward far enough, and they'll overtake us. And the fact that we lost Sturridge for 5 months and didn't have a striker to pick up the scoring.

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  143. I would rather have BR. We play good football, we field one of the youngest sides in the EPL, and I believe we are miles ahead of where we were 5 years ago.


    Yes, it sucks we haven't won anything, this season has been agony after coming so close last year, but next year will be a good year. The conundrum of the greatest club legend will be gone. It will no longer be trying to fit him in a side where he just doesn't fit anymore and that is a huge wage off the books. I don't want Rafa back whatsoever, he has lost his touch, and Klopp is like McDonalds he sounds good and goes down great but he'll turn into a gut bomb that is just waiting to explode out the back end. The EPL is stronger top to bottom than the Bundesliga where there top 2 or 3 are light years ahead of everyone else. A fall from grace like he had this year and Liverpool woould't be able to make it out of the bottom half and then their would be a monumental exodus of players.

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  144. Coaches and physio's can only work with the info that they are given by the players. No player is going to sit there and ask for a break, players want to play. Asking for breaks is detrimental to playing time cause coaches don't think you can cut it and then that takes a hit on your paycheck. Go ask your boss for more breaks and see how it works out for you.


    Practice is actually built to help the body recover. the best thing you can do the day after games is go run around cause it helps your muscles breakdown lactic acid, which is the cause of sore muscles.


    The trip in its jet leg will take its toll. But its detaching yourself from stresses that trip is good for. I know he has a dream job but there is a ton of pressure on him to perform and there is the constant media presence and pressure. That's a lot for anyone yet alone an very young adult to handle.


    Again, not a myth.

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  145. True, its the pain that sends our body into shock. Typically in situations like that we release adrenaline which essentially hides the pain, but I think and this is total speculation that the pain is so severe in this case that our body doesn't have enough adreneline to mask the pain and sort of ease us into the pain causing people to go into shock.

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  146. I agree about BR, and I agree about Klopp's team having a real identity. Funnily, I saw the same with us last season, and even this - a magical Coutinho/Sterling moment, a Gerrard howitzer, an SAS tag-team... we also relied on our brilliant individuals.


    I suppose my original reason for replying to your first post was that I find little reason to seek out Klopp's weaknesses in order to highlight BR's merits as a manager. It's entirely possible that they are both fabulous managers.

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  147. ....both good?... no... impossible... mind can't cope... narrative too complicated..... ah! .... *dies*

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  148. I probably feel that way too. I was interested in how much Jaimie values the importance of a big manager

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  149. Oops - just seen your reply now. Sorry!


    Yeah, Thiago is amazing. It takes some doing to be stand out in that Bayern side. Barca were nuts to let him leave. So lucky you are to see him live!


    Pablo Aimar; what a player. Kinda wanted to see him in the Premier League, if only because it's the most televised down here.


    Yes I agree with your point about CM. Would be great if we could get one of those three here. Thiago can play further back so that might not be a problem.


    There are a few others I'd add to the list, like Gundogan, Illaramendi and Pereyra from Juve. It's really an area we've needed to improve on for years now, and there are a bunch of good CMs in Europe. We need an Alonso-type, a real deep-lying playmaker who can give us a genuine option of playing 4-2-3-1. We had one in Nuri Sahin, but for whatever reason he and BR didn't get along.

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  150. I would agree with that. Alcantara is a leader on the pitch, too.

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  151. Oh and I'm not keen on Immobile either.

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  152. I'm sorry but it's the coaches and physios' job to judge whether a player is tired or not by analysing their performance in training. Hence why Rodgers sent Sterling away on his holiday - he thought he looked tired. However what should have been done is allowing him a day or two off training, in order to regain some energy, not allow him to miss important matches when he is needed.
    And your second paragraph is essentially stating that more training is good for the muscles, therefore it will benefit the player as opposed to contributing to injury in the long-term. I don't really see how this backs up your argument.
    On to paragraph three. Sterling's should really have then been allowed to relax in his house for a few days to gain the benefits of relieving stress, whilst not suffering the effects of jetlag. And although ''pressure and media presence'' may make him more mentally tired, it will not contribute to physical injuries unless the coaches fail to notice the tiredness, and therefore give him a rest in training, not matches. Hence, poor coaching is the only cause of why players may get injured, and burnout is a myth. I do not see anything in your latest comment that has said to the contrary.

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  153. They were following Suarez when Benitez was in charge.

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  154. sack BR
    OUT#
    Johnson
    toure
    lambart
    Borini
    Balloteli
    starling
    enrique
    brad jones
    markovic
    manquillo
    total=70m
    # IN # Klopp
    Reus
    Song
    moutinho
    Pjanic
    Higuain
    Jackson martinez
    Bojan
    Ashley williams#
    cech
    totall= 120m


    first team=
    1 Cech
    Can Skrtel Sakho
    Song pjanic Henderson
    moutinho coutinho
    Higuain Rues
    SUB=
    sturidge
    j martinez
    bojan
    lallana
    Lucas
    allen
    williams
    lovren
    moreno
    Ibe
    mignolet
    # Great squad it can happen if lfc spend right also great sub

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  155. Your completely taking things out of context and trying to attach them to each other to build a very awful argument.

    Practice is to help bodies recover, but combining it with constant travel and work related stresses can cause burnout.

    I have never once gone on vacation out of country and comeback worse than when I left. Removing ourselves from our typical settings (where the majority of stress is at) allows us to relax and helps us recover mentally. Jetlag has effects especially when combined with work. Raheem took 2 weeks of NO TRAVEL, instead of traveling nearly every 4 days. Monumental difference there.

    You cannot pin mental stability on doctors or coaches. they're only as good as the information at hand. Physically with all the technology were able to monitor players and how they physically are holding up. Mentally however is all word of mouth. In other words what the players tell them. Rodgers noticed a dip in what Raheem was bringing physically and talked to Raheem who them told him of his tiredness. In which case BR acted appropriately. BR has no right though telling Raheem what he can do with his free time. As I have pointed out its our mental state that has the greatest effect on us.

    Burnout is not a myth, it is well studied and backed by scientific FACTS not speculation. Burnout takes place in athletes cause this is not just a game to them, it's how they earn a living, it's a job. Jobs allow vacations for the sanity of there employee's, players are employed by the respective clubs.

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  156. Not post-modernism's intended effect!

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  157. But Rodgers had almost £120m at his disposal to find a suitable replacement for Suarez.


    Enough of the BS excuses!

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  158. No, nor have I, but based on your jetlag argument in your previous comments that is effectively what you were implying. Raheem Sterling doesn't experience jetlag every 4 days either - you don't get jetlag taking the bus for a few hours every now and then.
    I am not pinning mental stability on the coaches, not once did I even hint this. But if as you previously argued mental tiredness effects physical performance, it is I'm afraid the coaches job to spot the reduction in standard, and take appropriate action, i.e. giving them a few days off in training. You clearly agree with this based on your comment on Rodgers giving Sterling rest, so I'm not sure why you are arguing it.
    And the fact that it is a job rather than a hobby makes absolutely no difference. Just because there it has a different name quite simply does not effect anything. Your closing paragraph is frankly rather ridiculous.
    As far as I am concerned there is nothing that you have said at any point that justifies burnout, and my argument is in direct response to yours, so if you are unhappy with the content of what I am saying I suggest that you improve the quality of your arguments - they are poor at best.

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  159. I hope and pray A New manager is backed heavily in summer.
    The two central midfielders who should be brought to club is T Alcantara Of Bayern Munich and M Schneiderlin Of Southampton in combined £60M transfer
    Those two players with either Coutinho or Lallana just playing in front of them would compete with any central midfield in world football and dictate and dominate like Alonso and Mascherano used to in 2008.
    But don't see the likes of Allen, Can and Henderson dictating or dominating any games against top or world class opposition in centre of park

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  160. Immobile would be waste of time like F Borini has been

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  161. If the player pushes and shows no signs of weakness in practice because after all it is his job on the line if he doesn't perform, a coach is not going to be able to see a performance drop, he is then going to pick and play said player without regard because he knows no better. They worry about losing their job just like we do as normal people. When i get forced into 3 eighteen hour shifts in a row i show no signs of weakness or fatigue until after i leave my work facility cause i don't want to risk being sent home with no pay and potentially lose my job cause I'm deemed not fit for duty. I have highlighted OVER AND OVER that we push through barriers consistently.

     

    WORK OR JOBS are the greatest amounts of stress we face. Even if we love our work, its stressful cause that is how we take care of our families. Athletes experience these stresses at higher level cause not just one or 2 bosses are critical of every thing you do but MILLIONS. If you have ever studied work hostage and active shooter situations its often the stress of the job that brings employees to these extreme actions. Vacations are encouraged by companies to help employees get away from stresses and comeback refreshed.

     

    I never once stated it was just jet-lag that takes a toll, i highlighted it but i also generalized travel into my statement. You completely took it out of context and tried to apply it as though that is all he does. Travel in general is harsh on human bodies and minds were not designed to sit in stagnant positions for such periods of time consistently. Companies our investing huge amounts of money to find more ergonomically correct chairs to promote better health in work places, car and buses still non-egro correct for humans.

     

    You completely lack any structure or fact based research to your argument, my arguments have both research and structure. Your inability to comprehend the structure and actually come to logical sequenced conclusions is the only reason why you can't accept burnout as completely realistic.

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  162. I will put my argument into paragraphs more clearly if that helps with 'structure'.

    If you are tired, regardless of whether you are trying to 'push through the barriers', you will display signs of tiredness, and it is the coaches job to spot this. If you get a small niggle due to this tiredness, it is the coaches job to rest you, hence why you are constantly hearing people missing 1 game due to a niggle picked up in training. If that niggle develops into a proper injury it is down to poor coaching by not giving the player the requisite rest. Poor coaching, not burnout.

    I did a quick Google of 'work hostage' and it only displayed results for actual hostage. If this is indeed what you are referring to, I'm not entirely sure that you can compare professional football to being held hostage or negotiating the release of a hostage. Not quite the same in my eyes...

    Onto travel. A couple multiple hour bus rides a week are not going to lead to injury. You may get a stiff back every now and then, get a massage - sorted. Your performance in training would be hindered by a stiff back so this should be spotted by the coaches, and appropriate action taking. If it isn't, and it develops into an injury, that's poor coaching, not burnout. Bus journeys do not wear you mentally to the extent that you get injured, nor do the few amount of foreign games played in a season, few of which will involve significant jet lag as they are mostly on Europe.

    Just because your arguments are 'based in research', does not make them fact. Analogy - personal trainers study their course from a textbook, and therefore recommend a training programme which is based on the research backing up the text book. This research may have some merit to it, but it is not conclusive, hence why there is a massive split over whether the most effective training is low-rep or high-rep. There is convincing research backing up both methods as the more effective. Just because you studied a course which has given you information based on research, does not make it fact, as there is no doubt plenty of contradicting research out there.

    Finally, I understand you argument perfectly fine, I simply do not agree with it - it doesn't make me wrong, or mean I don't understand you.

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  163. Where did I make an excuse for Rodgers?


    Beyond my incorrect wage reference, where did I make an incorrect factual statement?


    1. Regardless of my miscalculation, we do have the 5th highest wages in the league.


    2. Last year, Suarez was carrying the team. He is not on the team any longer, and he was not adequately replaced.


    3. We did not have European competitions, and we were out of the domestic cups relatively early, hence we only had to play our league games. The condensed schedule made a difference.


    4. Our rivals all improved from last season, with Chelsea & Arsenal in particular getting legit stars in Costa and Sanchez. And if you include ManUtd with Di Maria (who hasn't set the world alight).


    5. Sturridge has been injured for the majority of the season.


    6. Our wage structure is completely different to that of Utd, City, and Arsenal, particularly due to the difference in revenue brought in by their larger stadiums.


    7. So in spite of our opportunity to go out and spend over 100m last summer, we could not get a direct replacement for Suarez because we would not offer the commensurate wages to the star players we would have wanted. For instance, let's say we offered to pay 55m for Cavani... he wouldn't come here because we wouldn't pay him his weekly wage.


    Points 1 through 6 are all undeniable facts.


    Point 7 is conjecture on my part, but I think it's fair to say that based on the wage structure element that we both agree on, I'm not too far off there.


    That's not a defense of Rodgers. That's not making excuses for Rodgers. Just laying out the facts.

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  164. Changing the manager always brings excitement, but stay with the right manager is also a good choice............

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  165. Well everyone had taken notice of suarez. He had an amazing scoring record for ajax. But the signing was pushed through when kenny was in charge so he'll get most of the credit.

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  166. Really.....After three years of not signing any truly worldclass signing and that is unlikely to change with rodgers at the helm. Benitez at napoli has been able to win trophies and sign plus keep his stars. What has rodgers done at Liverpool. Won nothing and signed nobody of note.

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  167. Burnout! You cannot be serious.The guy isn't worth a carrot. We all saw that in the World Cup. He isn't even as good as Markavic. His impact will be ZERO.

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  168. Kenny admitted he was not 1 of his signings.

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  169. He has guided Raheem, he has helped Mignolet grow each year, helped develop Suarez into one of the best players to grace the pitch of Anfield. He has taken us back to Champions League, had sitting on the brink of it again, helped extend some depth into our bench. He had done a lot. Benitez hasn't done much of anything in a far worse league. I want long lasting stability not a gut bomb that overspend and fail then clean house trying to spark something.

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  170. Way to take more things out of context. Your clueless.

    Massages are not magical, they don't just magically fix ailing bodies, especially the MIND.

    Low rep, high rep isn't split at all. Low rep is built for mass and muscle gain, high rep is built for cutting and endurance. What people are looking to get from the workout dictates the type of work out.

    I never once directly compared hostages and footballers. I used work related active shooter/hostage situations to reinforce the need and encouragement if vacations in general work places to relieve stress, it was vacation to relax footballers. Again way to take things out of context. I have common sense and am able to to 1 and 2 together to make 3, something you are completely incapable of.

    PS coaches are paid to win they field there best team first and foremost, i.e. MICHEAL OWEN HUGE BURNOUT

    PSS Quit being ignorant, your wrong.

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  171. I enjoy how you are starting to attack me instead of solely my argument. Good stuff, always a sign of a good argument. I am rather bored of this now so I'm going to pick up the two points I take issue with.

    My point was that people aren't going to go on mass killing sprees due to stress, there will be a psychiatric issue there. That was clearly stated, and was not taking it out of context. Using it as an example to illustrate the need of vacations in work to relieve stress, and then stating that footballers needing vacations, is a very extreme comparison. The stress footballers face will not result in anything that serious occurring, unless they are crazy.

    High-rep and low-rep achieve the exact same thing - build muscle. High-rep breaks down muscle fibres more quickly, low-rep over a longer period of time. Low-rep is not beneficial for cutting. It does not miraculously bring out your muscles by shedding the fat, that's cardio. Both types of training are used for bulking, because there is a massive divide to which is more effective. In truth they are both rather similar, if done right.

    As I said just because you believe this does not make it fact. My differing opinion does not make me wrong, or ignorant. But as I said attacking me does not strengthen your argument, it actually weakens it #adhominem.

    Goodbye, and thank you for an entertaining few days, I enjoyed this thoroughly. Peace.

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  172. You just made a contradicting statement. Low rep is to cut, but to bulk too? Not possible. But good job.

    The saying "Going postal" is literally about how a postman snapped from the stress of his job and went on a killing spree. I highlighted this to show you that jobs create stress in our lives. Footballers job is playing football.

    Players commit suicide from the stress, attack teammates with golf clubs and there are reports of players pulling guns in each other. So it can happen.

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  173. I now see why you think I'm taking everything our of context: you can't read!

    What part of ''low-rep is not beneficial for cutting'' did you not understand?

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  174. Mass murder is different than An activate shooter situation for one.

    I did miss read your lifting reference, I'll admit that. But low rep does not build muscle it cuts, shapes and helps build specific muscle endurance. cardio is for lung capacity and heart endurance, sure it helps muscles throughout the body but is not built specifically like lifting is to identify very specfic muscle groups.

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  175. Cardio loses fat which is what 'cutting' is. Low-rep builds muscle in the exact same way that high-rep does, which is increasing size, strength and endurance to a point.

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  176. Sorry I keep meaning to put high rep not low.

    Hanging out with my son and watching games, not proof reading

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  177. Anyway CBA to argue anymore.

    Unrelated note: did you study in the US?

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  178. Yeah I'm born and raised in Denver, Colorado. Unfortunately I know a lot about shootings cause we tend to have a bunch here and in my industry we have weird hours which really screw with our sleep so or company makes us study and review those types of situations to help identify trouble in ourselves or coworkers so we can seek help.

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  179. Oh really? Sweet! Yeah fair enough we never really get anything here so don't know much about them. I was just wondering cause you said you studied shootings/hostages as well as burnout, which is a rather broad set of knowledge for the UK, we're more about depth haha.

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  180. Yeah burnout was kinda forced on me in college, they made us take a full course in three weeks as athletes to create a cushion on credits. Work just crams safety down our throat and that is sfanfare lessons every January for us. It gets old, but it is helpful.

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