27 Apr 2015

Legend insists: Liverpool must sign a player like 'brilliant' £24m attacker ASAP.

As Brendan Rodgers has confirmed many times, Liverpool's core transfer policy (driven by FSG) is to buy young players with 'potential' and develop them into high-impact first-team players. It's fair to say that this approach has failed miserably so far, and even casual observers can see that the Reds need proven quality to consistently progress in the league and Europe. If Rodgers is given a stay of execution, it's absolutely imperative that he gets it right in the transfer market, and Anfield legend John Aldridge has called for the club to sign at least one truly top class *proven* talent this summer.

In his column for Sunday World, Aldo bemoaned FSG's 'buy 'em young' approach, and urged the club to follow Man United's example and sign an experienced player like 'brilliant' Robin Van Persie. He explained:

"He [Van Persie] came in from Arsenal [for £24m]and won them the Premier League. His sell-on value now is minimal [but] he paid back the investment in him with goals and trophy success. That is what Liverpool need now. Top class, proven performers who can take them to the next level"

This is such an obvious point, and millions of fans around the globe almost certainly share this point of view, which makes it all the more exasperating when Liverpool repeatedly ignore this approach.

That said, Liverpool have signed experienced players during Rodgers' tenure, but the likes of Lallana, Lambert, Lovren, Balotelli et al just haven't (consistently) worked out, and the manager needs to carry the can for that.

To be fair, the club has also tried to sign top-class proven quality players like Alexis Sanchez and Diego Costa, but due to various factors - including Rodgers' fatal lack of pull - the deals have failed. And that's the quandary facing Liverpool under Rodgers:

* No Champions League + comparatively unknown manager = failure to sign proven quality star players.

* Champions League qualification + comparatively unknown manager = failure to sign proven quality star players.

Last summer proved that Champions League qualification makes no difference to Liverpool's ability to sign the elite of Europe, and that will continue if the Reds fail to finish in the top four this season.

Replacing Rodgers is the only possible change that will make a difference to Liverpool's ability to attract the best, and as much as I'm in favour of giving the manager another year, there's a bigger picture that needs to be considered.

* Liverpool qualified for the Champions League last summer, then spent £120m on the wrong players.

* The Reds consequently regressed o the extent that the team will (in all probability) miss out on the top four.

* With no Champions League football, there's practically no chance of signing the players needed to take Liverpool to the 'next level'.

* That possibly means more young players coming to the club, and further regression next season.

* Meanwhile, Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal, and Man City will inevitably strengthen with big-money signings, making it even more difficult for Liverpool to compete.

From 2010-2014, Liverpool missed out the Champions League FOUR YEARS in a row, and given the current situation, there's a very real possibility that history could repeat itself. That can't be allowed to happen, which is why the club may seriously consider managerial change this summer.

Just look at the Van Gaal effect this season. In my season prediction article (August 2014), I noted:

"At Man United, there's the Van Gaal effect to consider. He will almost certainly get an extra 20-30% out of his squad. As much as it pains me to say it, last season was an aberration for United, and due to the Moyes fiasco, the team massively under-performed. That won't happen under Van Gaal, who will ensure that United are a serious threat to Liverpool's top-four ambitions"

This is precisely what's happened this season: United are a 'serious threat to Liverpool's top-four ambitions', and the main reason for that is clearly Van Gaal.

A change at Liverpool this summer could conceivably have a similarly positive impact.

I'm not calling for Rodgers' head; if he stays, that's fine, but there are solid reasons for making a change, and if goes, then that's also fine.

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126 comments:

  1. I feel the same Jamie - Time is running out for B R is we dont finish well and like I said last week was very confident we would fail at W Brom - thats what we did no matter how B R tried to cover it upp - And in truth I rate our chances no better than 50/50 againsst Hull. I said this before but will say it again - SELL ALL OUR STRIKERS ALL OF THEM Balo Sterling Sturidge Lambert Borini - IF WE WANT CHANGE THEN LETS SEE REAL CHANGE

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  2. "it's absolutely imperative that he gets it right in the transfer market"



    What exactly did Rodgers get right by spending almost £120m at the start of the season with CL football on offer?


    I rest my case.

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  3. Did you not say recently that Rodgers deserves another season?

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  4. LFC missed a trick with Sturidge regarding paying him less if he misses lots of games - He will finish up owing us millions - Hope we get rid Sterling A S A P = He started this rot - blown uo little upstart who has been pathetic for weeks - D U M P HIM or go BR

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  5. Your point has nothing to do with what I've argued. I didn't say that Rodgers got it right with his £120m spend; I suggested the opposite.

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  6. I did not refer my comment directly at you!


    I just made a point that Rodgers had almost £120m to spend and CL on offer that the start of the season and made a complete mess of it.


    That was my point.

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  7. Doesn't sound like RAY. He probably said something excruciatingly depressing and then topped it off with a 'why bother?'.

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  8. Are you ready to change your name for a full season :-)

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  9. You might not be calling for Rodgers head but I think you should. He over manages his players and changes his tactics on the fly which at the end all it ends up doing is stifling them , especially the new buys from last Summer.

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  10. Jaimie has already stated that he does not believe Rodgers will be here next season.

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  11. It is stick or twist for F.S.G where to keep faith in Rodgers...Its a tough one i do believe if Liverpool bought 2-3 top players then Rodgers would get the best out of them like he did with Luis but if this summer is an repeat of last summer transfer dealings then I feel it will bring a similar end to this season with Rodgers in charge. I think the type of transfers is the key more than the manager.

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  12. The most depressing thing is that top 4 was clearly up for grab with United inconsistent results and if it was not for Rodgers odd tactics and team selectionn this season we would be already getting prepared for next season champion's league.

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  13. You used his quote and then followed it up with a question. How is that not directed at him?

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  14. City and UTD have both had a terrible season and fact is that they will be strengthening at the start of next season.


    What is going to change if Rodgers is still at the helm next season?

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  15. not much i'm afraid, but with a proven manager and just a couple of top signing (we ALL know which position is needed) i think we could still overtake them next season.

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  16. No, I used Jaimie's quote and formed an opinion about it hence ending it off with "I rest my case"

    I had the same opinion as Jaime in his this very article and i quote...

    "Replacing Rodgers is the only possible change that will make a difference to Liverpool's ability to attract the best, and as much as I'm in favour of giving the manager another year, there's a bigger picture that needs to be considered."



    So you clearly are just trying to take a dig.

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  17. You got it spot on.

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  18. Frankie Fletcher4:14 pm, April 27, 2015

    It doesn't matter who manages us, we just aren't the same team we used to be. Everyone on here thinks we are a bigger club than we are who deserve the worlds best manager and the worlds best players who will all heroically play for us for half the money Man u would pay them!


    Get real people! one week you all love Rogers the next it's Get Roger Out! posted everywhere! just a bunch of fair weather supporters!


    Rant Over

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  19. For Whom The Bell Tolls

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  20. There's no need blaming FSG here, Brendan has UCL on offer with 120 kitty and failed miserably .aldo if you're expecting him to sign "world class" player this time then you're being in dreamland. #Rodgers OUT!

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  21. So the opinion I gave differs to Jaimie's? Where?


    Foot in mouth.

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  22. And you clearly had to add your few cents worth?

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  23. Oh I'm sorry, i though it was a discussion board

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  24. About opinion right?


    Not calling people toddlers right?

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  25. Case rested? ;-)

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  26. That is my case.

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  27. I actually said that I had to reason with you in a manner which reminded me of my discussions with younger members of my family.


    I never called you a toddler. This is the 2nd time I've read that submission, so I have to now put the records straight.


    I found myself having to break down plain English into small, easily digestible chunks in order to get a simple point over. I a similar way one does to a young child, hence the reference.


    it's obviously hit a nerve.


    Later, when you're older- if you still feel sore about it, I'll be waiting.......

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  28. ... in the shadows

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  29. This is Jaimie's quote you referenced:
    "it's absolutely imperative that he gets it right in the transfer market"

    This is your response:
    "What exactly did Rodgers get right by spending almost £120m at the start of the season with CL football on offer?

    I rest my case."



    You didn't offer support of his quote. You didn't add to it by stating "furthermore" (or some other like phrase).


    The way you phrased your response sounded like a rebuttal to his quote by stating a contradictory stance.


    Jaimie says "if he stays he needs to get it right", to which your response is "what exactly has he gotten right".


    That's not additive. Hence, any objective reader (yours truly included as well as the original author of the post (JK)) would surmise that you disagree with referenced quote.


    You may have agreed with him, however your response was ambiguous at best if that is what you meant.


    All because you didn't say "furthermore".


    Minutes of my life, I shall never get back.

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  30. i think the project of fsg is a good one also i dont think we are in a position to attract any of the "football elite". i think we should continue to sign young players. I believe this season has been awful however it has been made to look okay by how bad the bpl has been this year if we would have played like last season i think only chelsea would have got near us. i am one that think Brendan's time has been and gone. i'd love to see the foundations built upon with a fresh manager (klopp). think we need to go back to 4-3-3 although we have had a lot of big overhauls in last few years and they are healthy for any club, i think we need another. need a new goal keeper wether that is a younger understudy, an out right replacment, in bernd leno or a 1st choice above mignolet in cech.
    need one new cb let kolo move on maybe, schar (5 mill) musacchio (12mill) n'koulou (9 mill) or papadopoulos (7mill) a new right back as wisdom and flanagan aren't ready either montoya or aurier both available for around (8mill). mabye even some competition for morneo in caner erkin or coentrao. need two midfeilder a poweful defensive midfielder to bench lucas or allen kondogbia (18 mill) carvalho (16mill) even Newcastle's sissoko at the right price. a ball playing midfielder to replace Stevie illarramendi, (14mill) pjanic (20 mill) kovacic. a winger so we can loan out markovic to a bpl team such as depay (23 miil) shaqiri (10mill) just one striker please do everything to get lacazette for (32 mill) would be mental if not mabye luiz adriano (14 mill) or icardi (25 miil)

    squad

    -------------------------------------leno------------------------------

    -montoya/wisdom----lovren/schar---skrtle/sakho----moreno/erkin--

    -----henderson/can-------kondogbia/coutinho------allen/pjanic------

    ------sterling/ibe-----------sturidge/lacazette---depay/orgi----

    loan out - llori, markovic to bpl teames

    i haven't include lallanai really like they guy but just cant see him working. think he is a bigger fish in a smaller pond don't think he has the presents or ability to become a regular at a big team

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  31. You do not know who I am, where I am from, how old am, how many kids I have, whether I am married etc.


    So what you say about me is irrelevant.


    Are you a 5 year old?

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  32. i'm not sure he'll get the film reference. Prbably think i'm challenging him to a fight :-)

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  33. See my reply to LFCNYC earlier.


    Now THAT'S what you call 'I rest my case'

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  34. We will not attract the football elite until we change our wage structure.


    Making Champions League would certainly help.

    But the manager's role in the transfer is being completely overrated in my opinion.

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  35. Logan - Once again, you are antagonising other posters, and creating tit-for-tat arguments. Just stick to discussing the issues and drop the snide remarks. How many times do I have to make this point?

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  36. Pulling a Rodgers- outlandish tactical manouvers

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  37. Quotes from this article

    "Liverpool qualified for the Champions League last summer, then spent £120m on the wrong players."

    "No Champions League + comparatively unknown manager = failure to sign proven quality star players."

    "With no Champions League football, there's practically no chance of signing the players needed to take Liverpool to the 'next level'."

    Where does my opinion of

    'What exactly did Rodgers get right by spending almost £120m at the start of the season with CL football on offer?

    I rest my case.'



    Differ?


    Do not beat around the bush.

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  38. See you could not answer the question.

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  39. And the definition for 'pulling a Johnson'?

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  40. Jaimie, answer me this.


    My opinion to which you replied, does it differ to your article?

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  41. We are going to pull the elite with Rodgers in charge *Evil laugh*

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  42. I couldn't for laughing....


    To which question do you refer? Because if the question was the one about whether i was a 5 yr old, I would seriously question your ability to assess ANYTHING if so


    Either you know some seriously precocious 5 yr olds who write as I do


    Or that was your risible attempt at a put down..

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  43. Contemplating passage of time while on the pitch- someone should ring Oxford dictionary we maybe on to something here

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  44. You only referenced one quote before. Hence your response to the one quote could not be perceived as a reference to the rest of the quotes.


    Bottom line is you are the only one who thought your response is actually showing that you agreed with him.


    I'm not trying to be argumentative for the sake of it here. I'm trying to help you... I think you have a strong passion for the club, and I think you even make some valid points and I respect the fact that you have a strong opinion on the direction of the club (in spite of us disagreeing at times). But you only do yourself a disservice with the types of responses you're creating and it's in turn hurting your overall argument.

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  45. It's crazy to think that he , Sturridge got a new 5 year 150p/w contract while still injured !

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  46. If we pay enough money, we could pull the elite if I or you or @bob loblaw were in charge...

    Only exception might be code :)

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  47. At least I do not have to resort to calling you a toddler irrespective of what I think of you.


    We are adults are we not?

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  48. Jaimie, answer me this.

    My opinion to which you replied, does it differ to your article?

    **********


    Let's see Jaimie's reply.

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  49. Enough money? More than £120m in one season, only less than Manchester UTD?


    You having a LAUGH?

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  50. Logan- that is exactly the problem,spelt out and broken down in one post.


    I matters not that you have a different point of view- nobody is expecting everybody to agree. But you act as though every challenge to your opinion is a personal attack, and occasionally your responses are difficult to understand, often amounting to interminable restatement of a previous view.


    I welcome and enjoy debate from people who disagree strongly with me, that's the whole point of posting here. It's not simply a soapbox..

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  51. Jaimie, answer me this.

    My opinion to which you replied, does it differ to your article?

    **********



    I REST MY CASE.

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  52. Logan, seriously?


    You are sooooo missing the point here

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  53. Explain the point.

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  54. Ok,

    Jamie made a statement, saying in his opinion BR needs to get the transfers right this summer.

    You replied with a question about a different matter ie you asked him what BR had got right about last summer's transfers.

    That in itself tells us nothing about your opinion on JK's original statement.

    it also doesn't show support or otherwise. It's a different question, and one which which is directly answered in no uncertain terms in the article anyway.

    people are struggling to understand why you would reply to a statement with a question about something else which has already been stated

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  55. My original post does not differ in one aspect to Jaimie's article.


    Prove it wrong.

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  56. Antoine just got Ashtagged.

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  57. ...the bell tolls for thee.

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  58. Go read the lyrics :-)

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  59. Jesus Logan, that's not what was contested.

    You have a real problem assessing what the subject is in a post. It means that we go round and round whilst you try repeatedly to prove something irrelevant to the original challenge.

    IT DOESN'T MATTER

    What was contested was whether you were referring to JK Since you posted


    "I did not refer my comment directly at you"



    Others have commented that you must have , since you used JK's quote IN YOUR POST


    Enough already,

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  60. Hemingway was some singer.

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  61. Wages... Wages... Wages...


    We spent 120m on transfer fees. Unless a player is getting a cut of a fee, he doesn't care what he's sold for. All he cares about is what he's paid.

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  62. Metallica will never die!

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  63. Quality over quantity?


    More excuses perhaps?


    Remy vs Balotelli = wages and transfer fees?


    You want to make more excuses?

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  64. Forget it Ash- Logan thinks Mettallica wrote those particular words....

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  65. No, but I blame them for Lou Reed's death.

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  66. It does not matter who wrote those words. They live on and one of the best Metal bands ever decided to cover it whether you like it or not.


    Many songs have been covered, even Elvis songs so makes your comment moot.

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  67. And John Lennon?


    Even Stairway to heaven has been covered mate. If it was covered by Metallica then maybe it would have been given the right treatment.

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  68. Yes Logan. Which is why I make my comments based on, and referring solely to, how you post on this board.


    If you post nonsensical things, they will be pointed out. If you have a point of view, it may often be challenged.

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  69. Your point has nothing to do with what I've argued. I didn't say that Rodgers got it right with his £120m spend; I suggested the opposite.



    Now, explain that that to me?

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  70. I think we've reached the point where we just need to stop trying. There's a good chance we might very well lose our minds.

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  71. WHAAAT?
    And you question why I say it's like arguing with a toddler?


    You have posted the exact same post FIVE times in this ONE topic.


    You're trying to prove something that DOESN'T HELP YOUR CASE.
    Forget it.


    I give up

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  72. U r right... I didn't finish the article just got annoyed from the title. i do apologies for me been a wise guy.

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  73. What exactly did Rodgers get right by spending almost £120m at the start of the season with CL football on offer?

    I rest my case.

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  74. I think the lesson for today, don't have Logan as your lawyer, because the only decision the jury will make is whether you go by the chair or guillotine.

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  75. And we have many qualified laywers on this site.


    My word.

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  76. Just need to stop trying? You believe Rodgers will not be replaced.


    WE SHALL SEE.

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  77. I saw it. Still has not answered the question.


    My original post is in accordance with your article and I just highlighted the points you made so not sure what the problem is?

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  78. Remy would have cost less and went to Chelsea. We could have signed Remy and would have been by far a better purchase transfer fee and wages wise so there cannot be any excuses I am afraid.

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  79. Ahem. Have you read my Law Blog?

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  80. Rodgers will be gone by the end of the season/start of next season.


    Whoever wants to have a different view or call me a toddler, well, we will have this discussion once that time arrives.

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  81. Errr....

    Hemingway isn't a band Logan

    I would quit whilst you can on this, it won't end well for you trust me.

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  82. I did not say he was a band.

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  83. No you said many songs have been covered. I implore you, let it go.


    Or at least Google who Hemingway is and you'll maybe understand

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  84. "Hemingway isn't a band Logan"



    Excuse me?

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  85. May it rest in peace ;-)

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  86. Just been reading further down the thread......the posts are getting quite heated...!


    Most are in agreement that LFC has alot of pull...


    Most are in agreement that our wage bill can be shuffled around by flogging the cr** and bringing in fewer but upgraded more experienced and 'ready' replacements....


    Most agree that the premier league and England have a draw that almost no other country has....


    Some also agree that good players will buy into the LFC 'project'....


    That just leaves Brendan Rodger's 'pull'.....as far as I know, speaking as a bloke, I cant go far wrong with my meagre demands of football, man toys and hot women....not in that order....hence a suggestion....


    Let's all get Tom Cruise to sort out one of his mission impossible masks and get one for Brendan....I suggest Kate Upton.....


    ...knowing men as I do (cos I'm one) we would probably sign on the dotted line before realising we been duped......

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  87. Just came to the very same conclusion.


    He thinks this is about being Pro/Anti Rodgers....

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  88. What excuses are you referring to? You keep bringing up this term "excuses".


    We spent 120m on transfer fees. As far as I know, the players saw none of these fees. They only get the wages.


    That's not supportive or defensive of Rodgers.


    In my opinion, Rodgers has failed in getting the most out of transfers. But I don't hold him solely responsible for the transfers themselves. But you and I agreed in the past that his tactics were incredibly poor in the first half of the season when he didn't use his rotation of players, mismanaged Sterling & Gerrard's playing time, and completely mismanaged Balotelli.


    At the end of the day, a player is going where the money is. He'll deal with a manager as long as he gets paid. And odds are if a team is in the Champions League, they'll be able to offer more to a player in wages since they'll have more revenue.

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  89. You do realise rest my case means nothing is added to the argument?
    Take a look at my recent post history Logan

    I have gone through each Rodgers signing and assigned an opinion to them in turn, Some good, some undecided, some bad.

    Nobody is saying BR has got it right, but no manager ever does. Failing to get Remy was imo a mistake. Two players have yet to play so must be discounted. It's too early to say about Lovren and Markovic, qualified success on Lallana and Moreno. Balotelli was a gamble but is ultimately a failure.



    We had to beef up the squad and we did. We needed Sanchez to say yes and would have always had a goalscorer. We have had 14 clean sheets so defence is not ultimately the problem, it's goals


    BR failed to ensure enough goals. Origi and Balotelli money should have been spent on another 1st team difference maker

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  90. How on earth do you come to that conclusion from what he said, this is getting silly. He was referring to stopping trying to make you see the point. As far as I know, that doesn't help us when trying to determine whether he thinks BR will be replaced or not. Maybe you have some insight the rest of the world doesn't? Or are you just assuming ?

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  91. Sniping at Jaimie's headline(s). Deserved ban to be honest, though I wouldn't have done it if I was him..

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  92. Now to have YOU as my lawyer... not only will I avoid the chop (literal), I will be able to counter-sue and win millions.

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  93. So UTD offer more to a player without CL?


    Now that you have made your point, UTD will be in the CL next season right?


    LFC will not BUT if we had Van Gaal as our manager at LFC without CL instead of Rodgers, who will be able to attract better players, Rodgers or Van Gaal?

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  94. look up 'Futile' in the dictionary, and there's a picture of someone here on this board..

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  95. Hehe, commenting on other stuff too now..

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  96. United have more revenue, primarily due to the size of Old Trafford. Especially compared to Anfield.


    Old Trafford fits over 75k fans per game.


    Anfield fits over 45k fans per game.


    I understand your point comparing the managers, and if all things are equal Van Gaal would most likely have the advantage. But it's highly unlikely all things would be equal (particularly money).

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  97. Where do I sign?

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  98. Who will Rodgers sign to correct his massively inept mistake?

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  99. Ha ha. Could not answer the question.


    Van Gaal is a world renowned manager. You do understand that do you not?

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  100. And quite a few recent PL wins. And £300k pw wages. And £200m spends per window

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  101. I did answer the question. You just didn't like the answer.

    Like I said, if all things are equal, Van Gaal would most likely have the advantage. However it's highly unlikely that all things would be equal.

    If Van Gaal offers a player 75k per week, and Rodgers offers a player 125k per week, in my opinion, a player is not going to sacrifice earnings just to play for Van Gaal.

    However if both clubs offered the same wages, then the player is going to weigh the tiebreakers, one of which could be manager, and if that's the case Van Gaal would probably win out.

    What was unclear about that from my initial response?

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  102. This really isn't complicated...


    A club that makes more revenue can spend more than a club who makes less revenue. As long as it abides by FFP.

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  103. It's seem to have gotten quite heated below.

    Can I suggest we all move on?

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  104. Award for best pun of the week ;-)

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  105. He might have been a good singer but to be honest I did think the lyrics went on a bit.....

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  106. But it would make sense spending more on Di María's wages and transfer fee alone than compared to combined Lalana & Markovic's inflated transfer fees and wages would it not.


    Who is Di Maria going to sign for, Van Gaal or Rodgers?

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  107. Mate the queue starts behind me.....:)

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  108. Think so too. There are managers with the 'pull', and some players would decide the transfer based on who is the manager, some would follow 'their' manager, but it is not the case as often as many people here think...

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  109. Why EVIL, it is our club?!?

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  110. Bob where's your law blog....?

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  111. Not sure Lobs law counts for that much .....

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  112. Am I going to be termed a "socialist" if I suggest there should be a limit to the greed of football players.

    I would never begrudge anyone if they are able to demand more for their services in a capitalist society. But surely, once you've bought 3 multi-million pounds homes, have 10 Ferraris parked on the drive and have a designer girl friend, do you really need the extra cash? Is the extra 100k a week really going to motivate you more to score that goal or make that pass?

    Hence with all the new money in the EPL, I would like:

    a) a wage cap per team based on some FFP
    b) reduced ticket prices, say max £20 per adult and £5 per child.

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  113. Two of you should be pundits..

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  114. He's rested his case bro, he's rested his case....


    there's plenty of weight right there...

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  115. I'd agree. Quite a few players have said playing for Moanio has been the best experience in their career.

    Whereas, I've not heard many of BR's past players come out and say he's transformed them into world beaters.

    Hence it could be possible to deduce that Moanio has a greater "pull" than BR.

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  116. You're not familiar with the Bob Loblaw Law Blog, in which I, Bob Loblaw, drop law bombs?

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  117. Looks decent, but not over Nainggolan (spelling?).

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  118. Dont worry about that basically the club has to fit inside the ffp rules of full spending wages wont be an issue.

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  119. Would be another cracking signing. Getting him and Depay would be a dream.

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  120. Was he not? I found the love nibbles to be quite endearing.

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  121. Nonsense... Now your just stereotyping...

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