Despite the alleged imminent signing of French star Loic Remy, Liverpool are still pushing to sign Lille striker Divock Origi, and reports today suggest that the deal is close to being completed.
According to Belgian newspaper Het Nieuwsblad:
* Liverpool have agreed a €13m fee for Origi
* As expected, he will stay at Lille on loan next season.
Former Ajax and Anderlecht striker Jan Mulder - now a well-known football analyst in the Netherlands - also claims the deal is done.
In an interview with Het Niewsblad, he raved:
"€13m is an unbelievably low price. It's ridiculous! Origi is a winner, and at the World Cup I enjoyed watching him more than Hazard. He has style, technique, and makes intelligent runs, a bit like Marco van Basten".
In my view, such gross overpraise is counter-productive, and premature. Others may disagree, but I've seen nothing that warrants comparisons with van Basten (!)
Plus, €13m is not an 'unbelievably low' price; it's a significant chunk of cash for a 19-year old, and it's money that's being gambled on a player who may or may not come good at some undetermined point in the future.
That said, if Origi - - recently described by Simon Mignolet as an exciting player - turns into some kind of superstar, then I guess €13m will turn out to be a retrospective bargain.
On the subject of 'unbelievably low' transfer fees, the obvious example is Loic Remy for £8.5m...
Author: Jaimie K
According to Belgian newspaper Het Nieuwsblad:
* Liverpool have agreed a €13m fee for Origi
* As expected, he will stay at Lille on loan next season.
Former Ajax and Anderlecht striker Jan Mulder - now a well-known football analyst in the Netherlands - also claims the deal is done.
In an interview with Het Niewsblad, he raved:
"€13m is an unbelievably low price. It's ridiculous! Origi is a winner, and at the World Cup I enjoyed watching him more than Hazard. He has style, technique, and makes intelligent runs, a bit like Marco van Basten".
In my view, such gross overpraise is counter-productive, and premature. Others may disagree, but I've seen nothing that warrants comparisons with van Basten (!)
Plus, €13m is not an 'unbelievably low' price; it's a significant chunk of cash for a 19-year old, and it's money that's being gambled on a player who may or may not come good at some undetermined point in the future.
That said, if Origi - - recently described by Simon Mignolet as an exciting player - turns into some kind of superstar, then I guess €13m will turn out to be a retrospective bargain.
On the subject of 'unbelievably low' transfer fees, the obvious example is Loic Remy for £8.5m...
Author: Jaimie K
Woo Hoo! Loic Remy, now we truly look like a mid-table all star team. Frak these signings. All that was missing last season was a decent back 4. Now, half of the players will not have played with each other, and we've grabbed most of them from teams that have never even gotten a peek at the top 5 in the table. Not happy.
ReplyDeleteIMO we don't need any youngsters , if we have money spare after improving the first team significantly then fair enough, else its not a productive use of money
ReplyDeleteBorini rejects Sunderland - breaking news. Shame because he wont make it at LFC -Remy will exceed expectations
ReplyDeleteI'm happy with us getting Remy.
ReplyDeleteWait a minute we buy Remy for a good price the day after getting £14 million for borini! This can only mean one thing. Ian Ayres on holiday.
So what teams were you hoping to get players from? We went for Sanchez and that didn't turn out. Did Henderson not do a good job for us last season? Where did we get him from? Remy scored a lot of goals last season. If we got him straight from Marseille would you you still have a problem. They maybe from tams lower down the league but they were still individually high performers in the league.
ReplyDeleteCan sort of see the comparison; van Basten was a leggy player too, and loved to twist and turn as Origi does, and scored all kinds of goals, likewise. But you're right, it's more than a bit over the top. Origi looks a very promising player, but there's a world of difference between being a promising teen and the world's greatest striker.
ReplyDeleteRelatedly, does anyone know what's going on with Jerome SInclair? Any talk of him going on loan this season? He's had some injury trouble, I know, but is he clear of that now? Thinking about Origi's potential signing got me wondering about Sinclair's development. He's of the same vintage as Ibe, Wisdom, and Suso, but he's taking longer to mature, I guess -- he looked their equal in promise a few years ago, and I was really excited to see a player of his type coming through for us. Any news?
You always need more and better youngsters. Always.
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ReplyDeleteHe is younger than those players though isn't he. I don't know much about whats going on with him but he is only 17 I think. So maybe not taking longer to mature he just got a chance earlier.
ReplyDeleteHe scored a goal in the WC...big deal. Hazard set him up on a virtual tap-in. He has a long way to go before I consider him 'exciting.'
ReplyDeleteCurrently there are rumours circulating linking LFC to Di Maria, Reus, Pogba and Vidal. Not sure whether any of these are true, but it is great being linked to these player.
ReplyDeleteIn which case, why are we going after Origi?
And shouldn't we actually now be spending big on the defence?
Hold your horses - Borini may be staying put.
ReplyDeleteYeah, you're right actually, he is younger than those lads, my mistake. Carry on everyone.
ReplyDeleteWhere we getting this from though?
ReplyDeleteDoing some sums so far:
ReplyDeleteProbable original transfer budget this time around = £50m
Out - Suarez (75), Borini (14), Ossaidi (7) = £96m
In - Lambert (4), Llanana (25), Can (10), Markovic (20), Remy (8) = £67m
Giving total transfer pot left = 50 + 96 - 67 = £79m
Now it seems like we may spend £20m on Lovren, £20m on Moreno and £6m on Richards = £46m
This leaves approx £33m to spend big on a star name - ie one of Di Maria, Reus, Pogba and Vidal (if rumours are true). Now make up your own mind whether this is realistic :-)
The £33m may rise if we sell other players, eg Lucas (10), Agger (10) and any other player perceived to be dead wood.
ReplyDeletePls note, the above are not necessary my wishlist of players in/out, only the deals I think BR/LFC will try to complete.
Let's hope this time Ayre gets his finger out and it can be more than just links.
ReplyDeleteLoic Remy mid table player? Man, he 'll walk into the English starting XI. But, that doesn't make him special though; what makes him special is his 2013-14 performance for a lower mid-table club. Imagine him playing along with Sterling, Sturridge & Markovic with Gerard, Lallana, Henderson & Coutinho feeding from behind. Had he been English, we probably had to pay 3 times, at least.
ReplyDeletei think these figures are all speculation.None of us truly know what the transfer budget is,lets just hope theres enough there to bring in what we need to bring the premier league title home where it belongs and give the champions league a shake.I would bring in lovren,william carvallho,moreno and reus,these players would add first team quality and depth,while strengthening the defence and defensive midfield position with carvallho as i think he will be a better option than gerrard(as much as i love him)and reus will bring the goals assists and exciting flair up front.My opinion is these 4 players and what we have already added to the squad will help us go one better next season.
ReplyDeleteYeah it's from twitter, just read it myself. Probably rubbish
ReplyDeleteDi Marzio (transfer guy) is saying it. The Sunderland Echo suggest Borini was the one driving the move. The Guardian sits between the two saying he hasn't rejected the offer, but needs convincing.
ReplyDeleteloic remy will be a great signing for us him and sturridge will be great together if we get a full season out of remy i can see him hitting at least 20 goals,very good signing now lets sort out are defence,
ReplyDeletePerhaps if you viewed Origi 's potential signing in the context of LFC losing out on Benteke & Lakaku. We lost out on two young Belgians who could become world class.
ReplyDelete...and now Milner. Looking forward to the end of Silly Season so I can regain my sanity (such as it was).
ReplyDeleteFirstly Jan Mulder is 69. He probably saw a lot more of Van Basten than us.
ReplyDeleteAs TV money increases, transfer fees also do accordingly.
Given that Fulham just signed Ross McCormack for £11 million, €13 million doesn't sound too bad.
Looks like could turn a decent profit on Assaidi, a much maligned player, and Borini if he chooses to go. Time to trust BR
Remy for £8.5 million is a ridiculous bargain, can't understand why he is so underrated
If Borini is worth close to €18m, surly Origi is worth more than Borini.
ReplyDeleteLoic Remy is a 20 million pound, 20 goal a season international striker we got for 8.5. It's a great bit of business. We're buying established premier league players who have done very well in lesser teams. Do you think bayern don't buy the best of the bundesliga's talent? Or Madrid in la liga? This is how top teams are built. Chelsea bought frank lampard from west ham and he's the clubs all time top goalscorer
ReplyDeleteWasn't aware Origi was surly.
ReplyDeleteAhh, I see what you did there.
ReplyDeleteHaha That's how rumours start
ReplyDeleteHe has not rejected Sunderland
ReplyDeleteGus Poyet-
ReplyDelete"We've agreed terms with Liverpool and we are waiting for the
documents to be signed and then we'll move on from there," he told Sky Sports News.
"Like any other deal you do, first you need to sort out the clubs and then you start working with the player.
"I'm hoping we can have him because he knows how much it would mean for us to have a player like Fabio."
Van Basten was not the first thing that came to mind when I saw the kid play but he looked quick and technically gifted, nowhere near the finished article tho. Only time will tell if it's money well spent
ReplyDeleteHas Origi beaten Chelski? Borini: 7 goals in the PL. Origi: 2 goals on Lille's B team. Upon what body of evidence can you possibly say Origi is more valuable than Borini? I don't even know where this comes from. To date Origi is nothing but a creation of hype. At least Borini has proved himself on the big stage a time or two.
ReplyDeleteNot a big Benteke fan...he's just AC with a little better ball control. His star fizzled as soon as PL defenses figured him out.
ReplyDeleteNot if the first team needs priority but I guess we can prepare for the future .
ReplyDeleteLille's B team? Please explain.
ReplyDeleteGood news on Can. His 20 minutes seems to have impressed a few people. Was he any good?
ReplyDeleteBob was referring to your bad spelling and I don't believe for a second you knew what he was saying.
ReplyDeleteI think Re,y is a nice add but no Sanchez for sure. Have you gotten any specifics on defender additions?
ReplyDeleteWas not expecting us to go for Remy but yes, absolute bargain if it is only £8.5m and also versatile so he will not have to play second fiddle to Sturridge.
ReplyDeleteOrigi has been chased by many teams. £10m is petty cash nowadays. If we do not sign Origi and another clubs does and he becomes established at one of the other top teams then his value could triple.
I read somewhere that it is Lille who are insisting that Origi be loaned back to them for a season. If true then it will be down to Origi where he wants to play this coming season.
Sturridge, Lambert, Sterling, Lallana, Markovic, Remy, Coutinho and Origi (if we sign him and does not go on loan). Plus there is still Ibe and Suso. If these two do not go on loan then we will have loads of attacking firepower.
ReplyDeleteFunny thing is that Rodgers said he needed 5-6 players before the transfer window opened but we could end up with eight by adding a CB and LB to the above.
Time to sort out our defence IMO.
You always speak with common sense and a realistic view of things. Should consider a guest article although the reasoned arguments will show JK up somewhat.
ReplyDeleteYou only have to look at what Chelsea are doing. They sign loads of young up and coming talent. Then send them on loan, season later they are part of their squad or go on loan again. Kevin De Bruyne looked like he was going to be a massive hit but was not willing to wait for his chance and looks to have established himself at Wolfsburg. He cost Chelsea about £7m and was sold for +- £18m.
ReplyDeleteSigning Origi for £10m is the way to go.
Pete, dude, you're acting as though Liverpool never received 75 million in the first place, and need to fork out 40 million from their own retained earnings. When's the last time we were just handed 75 million pounds? The closest we came to that was 50 million for Torres, and then what happened? We splashed 37 million of it on Carroll the very next day.
ReplyDeleteLiverpool have had the same policy you speak of ever sinced FSG stepped their foot in the door, and with that same policy, they did the unthinkable on Carroll. Sure, they'd never do it again, but I believe that they'd be happy for it to happen if it were spent on a proven player. I'm sure they recognise the huge loss in on-field impact that Suarez took away.
That is a lot of money for a kid, but sometimes you have to gamble I know Liverpool had gambled poorly in the past on kids. Just imagine having signed Ronaldo for 12m I'm not saying it pays off all the time but you have to try otherwise you will just be paying the ransom for developed players (Chelsea)
ReplyDelete2 of Isco, Firminho, Di Maria, Draxler and Lacazette might be a possibility. Reus will be a stunning coup but can't see it happening and he is also injured.
ReplyDeleteThe policy wasn't firmly in place until Rodgers arrived. FSG had no experience with running a football club, and after witnessing the repercussions of handing Dalglish a ridiculous amount of money, they fully implemented changes. A major movement in modern business is developing a sustainable culture and this is what FSG have done. That's just my interpretation of events.
ReplyDeleteOf course we can sign big players for big fees, but don't expect anything too over the top. 30 million would be the upper limit to any sort of deal but I can't see a 60 million deal for someone like Di Maria happening.
Believe me, I'd love Reus to join Liverpool. It would add an abundance of goals and assists to the team but it would send out a major message of intent. Can't see it happening though.
Great to see Suso and Ibe fighting for their chance. Can reminds me off a young Ballack and looks like he could add some real strength to the midfield.
ReplyDeletePlus Spurs sold their only goal threat, while we already have the leagues 2nd top scorer.
ReplyDeleteI can't see 60 million either, not a lot teams spend that. Not even Chelsea has gone that far. But I think it's very pessimistic to even rule out at least 40 million. After owning a football club for 4 years, they probably have an idea of who the prominent players in the football world are, e.g. Di Maria. Back in 2011, they just assumed that Carroll was a world beater. They also may have handed KD a lot of money, but that wasn't money sourced from player transfer revenue. Receiving 75 million in your hand from another club IMO gives a lot more license to kill.
ReplyDeleteAdam probably was getting a little too excited, but I doubt that they'd even price Di Maria at 60 million anyway. If they are trying to get rid of him, 60 million is absurd
ReplyDeleteSo all of you that are crying about buying from mid table teams, I have only one question,... What division did Ian Rush come from, I could name other players who played for mid table teams who made it at Liverpool, but you know what, when you are at the top where else are you going to get players from.
ReplyDeleteWell said, my fellow Scot. We have traditionally bought players from teams with a lower stature than ourselves and turned them into stars. And look at where Man Utd bought the majority of their title winning players from (apart from their youth set up) Carrick - Spurs, Ferdinand - Leeds, Keane - Notts Forest, Rooney - Everton etc, etc. We've watched Chelsea spend, and waste, fortunes on their 'marquee' signings - Shevchenko, Crespo, Mutu, and to a lesser degree, Veron (who's initial large fee was squandered by Man Utd).
ReplyDeleteThe bottom line is, a player has to fit our system of play, if he can do that, then he will be a success. There's no point in spending a ridiculous amount of cash on some guy who's a household name just because he's a household name. He could come in, have an ego which doesn't gel, causes disruption in the dressing room, sulks, doesn't get our system, flops then he's sold on for a substantial loss.
And, for all the cash we have spent already this season, we're still up due to the profits from sales.
Dunno, Barnes could pass and cross and strike a dead ball beautifully from a young age. I always felt he was a passer before he was a dribbler, but I don't see that vision and that kind of technique in Ibe's game, really. He does dribble a little bit like Barnes, or at least just as often (i.e. virtually every time he receives the ball) but he's more stop-start: Barnes was a flowing dribbler who could play through the middle. Markovic is probably more like Barnes, actually, than Ibe is.
ReplyDeleteFor an over-the-top comparison for Ibe from the 90s, how about Luis Figo? Quite a similar style on the ball -- but a great end product, which seems to be the thing that Ibe's game lacks at the moment -- and which could really prevent his development unless he addresses it soon. I'm excited about Ibe, but his uncertainty and conservatism in front of goal does concern me. Still, early days!
Rob, put your handbag away. Of course I knew what he meant. I was being sarcastic.
ReplyDeleteTalent? Origi is still a teenager, Borini is 23. " At least Borini has proved himself on the big stage a time or two" He wasn't good enough to play in the biggest stage for Italy, while Origi was, and started ahead of Lukaku who scored more than Borini in the prem last year.
ReplyDeleteAlso take into consideration, Chelsea bought Joe Cole from west ham. Rio came from west ham to Leeds then to United. There is a longer list I'm not bothered writing.
ReplyDeleteWe desperately need defensive players. Yesterday yet again proved how weak we are on CROSSES, a decent keeper and a commanding centre back are urgently needed.
ReplyDeleteExactly. I've been impressed with our transfer dealings this window personally. Fans need a reality check sometimes
ReplyDeleteOrigi is average,he had a tap-in at the world cup and that's it.
ReplyDeletehe blew several chance against the US (Lukaku came in and had an assist and a goal in 15 minutes) and was nowhere to be found against Argentina.
The guy is fooling himself, sure he's got pace and a bit of technique but was always at the bad place and making the wrong runs.
he's a winner ? that doesn't mean anything and honestly Hazard was the most disapointing Belgian player at the world cup.
What are you saying Kev Origi is as bad as Hazard? My god thats a good reason not to buy him.
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ReplyDeleteBeing Di Maria, Reus , Pogba and Vidal will all cost more than the 33M you say, we won't be getting any of them for 33M.
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ReplyDeleteFlanno. lovren. sakho. luis
Stevie/can
Hendo/Markovic Cout/lallana
Sterling. Ibe/???
Studg/Remy
No, nearly 30M is a lot of money for a kid. 10M once upon a time may have been a lot of money, but with the inflation of transfer fees, then 10M is not really that much. And as far as signing Cristiano Ronaldo for 12M, you have to remember that 12M back then, even though it was only nearly 10 years ago, 12M then is still more than 12M is now. 12M back then would be equivalent to 20-25M now.
ReplyDeleteNot only Ian Rush, but John Aldridge, Steve Mcmahon, Bruce Grobbelaar, John Barnes. Ian Rush was bought from Chester, who weren't even a top tier side, John Aldridge from Oxford, again who weren't a top tier side. Steve Mcmahon from Aston Villa who were a mid-table side. Bruce Grobbelaar from Vancouver Whitecaps, a Canadian side. John Barnes from Watford who were a mid-table side at the time.
ReplyDeleteThe keeper that played against Preston was Brad Jones was it not? Are you saying Mignolet is not decent? He is one of the best shotstoppers around. As far as defenders, we are apparently negotiating for defenders. As far as holding midfield goes, Emre Can might be injured, but he is our answer to holding midfield. As far as a commanding centre back, I wouldn't count out Sakho from being more effective this upcoming season.
ReplyDeleteLukaku came on when the US were already tired and got the assist and the goal. That's hardly any comparison.
ReplyDeleteIt's all about opinions ..
ReplyDeleteJones, Mingolet / any of our keepers/defenders struggle badly on crosses.
IMHO, Mingolet is average, like most premiership keepers, he is an excellent shot stopper. However, he is slow off his line, POOR on ANY type of cross, a poor distributer and poor on the kicking front. We can do MUCH better.
I'll be VERY surprised if Can is a holding player.
Sakho is an excellent passer, however defensively, positionally, he often goes missing and isn't good enough aerially. Also, he isn't the quickest?
Last season, our defence got out of jail on numerous occasions, SAS thankfully managed to score 3+ goals needed to win a game. Unsustainable now?
Ibe is far from the finished article but like I said, he is very quick and strong. That is a good start.
ReplyDeleteBeginning to think most of the ones who cry about buying from mid table teams only experience of football is when they play on their play stations or xboxs, thanks for backing me on my point, when Ian Rush came it was part of a double deal with a youngster called Money who if memory serves me played one game before being let go, Chester wouldn't part with Rushie without Liverpool also taking Money, don't think he ever played again.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely
ReplyDeleteCheers just read them both. Will wait and see. Borini might want a better club but if none are interested he may see it's for the best.
ReplyDeleteSpurs sold their only goal threat in Bale and there next top scorer was either Lennon or Defoe with 4 goals
ReplyDeleteLiverpool haven't sold their only goal threat and our next top scorer is Sturridge with 21 and if you want to go over how our new signings did in the prem last season then Remy got 15 Lambert got 13 and Lallana got 11 and to add to Liverpools goal tally is Gerrard with 13 Skrtel with 6 Coutinho with 5 Sterling with 9 and Henderson with 4
So we will have a long way to go until we sink to the depth of Spurs
boring boring, why always young players, we really need a big singnings, not Origi or those kind players we're running after wont help us to reach top 4, believe me we wont..
ReplyDeleteI'm not opposed to him staying- I've always liked him.
ReplyDeleteThat said, it is basically a toss up right now between having a nice 4th choice striker or £14m that could go toward the defence (please Brendan, buy some defenders).
Origi is like 'Marco Van Basten" .... hahahaha hilarious.
ReplyDeleteWhere in the motherland are you from my good man?
ReplyDeleteBack to seventh we go....and for a long time.
ReplyDeleteremy is not as good as you think he is.
ReplyDeleteDo you honestly believe we have any chance of signing these sort of players, I dont, lets be realistic. Buying the best from southampton is the best we can hope for
ReplyDeleteRues would never join us, be realistic. Wanyama might be available
ReplyDeleteAgreed. It now appears that the Reds want to change the whole blooming team at the end of each season irrespective of the outgoing teams performance. In our successful days the manager topped up the team with one, two or three quality players at most. With virtually a new team for 2014/15 season we're back to square one again and the team will be getting into their stride about Xmas.
ReplyDeleteRemember the good old days when the Kennedys were bought without any fanfare, Dalglish, Souness, etc etc. It really didn't matter from whence they came they arrived and were improvements. But hey, there were no transfer windows in those days. The defenders who let us down last season are still in situ!! Can I ask why are we still searching for a goalkeeper. Tell BR to stop huffing and puffing and get Pepe back on the job. Never mind the damn letter he wrote saying he had left - the facts are he is still a player contracted to Liverpool! So pay him what he is due because he will be needed in the Champions League.
If Morata was available, why go for Origi?
ReplyDeleteI always like to think LFC supporters are knowledgeable about football but the comments below suggest otherwise.
ReplyDelete1. Arsenal can't afford Remy...They pay lower wages than any of the other top 4 clubs. He has always wanted to play for LFC anyway.
2. No player can replace Suarez...Jesus don't you get that by now!
3. Rodgers has targeted these players even before Suarez left.
4.Comparing us with the Spurs, Bale tansfer is ridiculous. Spurs were a very weak side without Bale. LFC are a very strong team without Suarez.
This argument is hardly worth a mention.
5. We have to buy lots of quality players because our squad was weak last season and probably cost us the title. BR is fixing this problem.
6. 433 back to BR's favoured line up. One striker needed, 3-4 to compete on all four fronts. Remy and Lambert are superb signings.
Meant Sanchez in Arsenal..
ReplyDeleteTheres more chance of smicer coming out of retirement to player for liverpool than there is rues or isco joing. sorry
ReplyDeleteLovren isn't part of the 75 mill yeah. He was given 60 mill or so by the liverpool owners
ReplyDeleteIn still expecting more from that 75.
We could do better than pogba but he's still a good player..
At least I got the fee right. Very interested to see how he works out at United. It's a shame really, I like him as a player, but now I'm hoping he'll be a complete and utter waste of money.
ReplyDeleteThe amount of money is just crazy...Can't see him fitting into a 5-3-2. I don't know what the big deal is over there, they should just play their classic 4-4-2 or at least a 4 back system.
ReplyDeleteDi Maria could probably win a few points on his own but the team is still below standard. Hopefully the transfer failures and lackluster performances on the pitch continue, though I wouldn't count them out just yet.