Last week, Belgian newspaper Het Nieuwsblad claimed that Liverpool had agreed a fee with Lille for the purchase of 'exciting' striker Divock Origi, and after a slight delay, it appears that the deal is done.
According to Belgian journalist Sven Claes:
* Origi's father has confirmed that the transfer is complete.
* LFC will announce the deal at some point over the next couple of days.
Claes posted the confirmation on Twitter:
The Mirror also confirms the deal, and claims the following:
* LFC have agreed a £12.5m (€16m) fee for Origi.
* He rejected Arsenal, Tottenham and Atletico Madrid.
* The 19-year old will stay at Lille on loan for a year.
* BR met with Origi and outlined his plans for the future.
* It took Origi 3 weeks to think about the move and agree to sign.
Former Ajax and Anderlecht striker Jan Mulder - now a well-known football analyst in the Netherlands - believes that Liverpool have pulled off a genuine transfer coup. In a recent interview with Het Niewsblad, he raved:
"It's an unbelievably low price. Origi is a winner, and at the World Cup I enjoyed watching him more than Hazard. He has style, technique, and makes intelligent runs, a bit like Marco van Basten".
One thing I can't get my head around: How does a 19-year old striker with a comparatively meagre goal return cost more than both Daniel Sturridge, Coutinho, and Loic Remy?
It's entirely possible that Liverpool have scouted Origi extensively over the last couple of years, but I personally doubt that's true. 7 goals/0 assists in 45 games is nothing to get excited about, and certainly doesn't justify LFC's intense pursuit of the player.
In my view, it's more likely that Rodgers is jumping on the Belgium bandwagon, hoping that Origi will turn out to be the next big thing. Given the huge number of quality players produced by Belgium over the last few years, the odds on Origi becoming the next Lukaku or Benteke are probably attractive, but it's still a massive gamble (IMO)
It also doesn't sit well with me that Rodgers seemingly had to make a concerted effort to convince Origi to sign. Who does this guy think he is? He's a frickin' teenager who's done nothing in the game, and he should be thankful that he is being offered the privilege of playing for one of history's most renowned clubs.
Clearly, Origi has no affinity for Liverpool, or he would've immediately jumped at the chance to sign for the club (like Lallana, for example). It wouldn't surprise me, either, if his decision ultimately came down to money, but that is purely speculation on my part.
Origi will become the sixth Rodgers signing to go out on loan, which is £49m-worth of LFC's money that is not currently benefiting the club. Is this an effective transfer policy? Time will tell, I guess.
Author: Jaimie K
According to Belgian journalist Sven Claes:
* Origi's father has confirmed that the transfer is complete.
* LFC will announce the deal at some point over the next couple of days.
Claes posted the confirmation on Twitter:
Good news for #LFC and his fans. Everything has been settled for the signing of Divock Origi. (19). Passed his medicals on Friday. 3/3
— Sven Claes (@svenclaes) July 26, 2014Belgian striker signs a 5-year contract at Anfield Road. First year a loan back to LOSC Lille. Just got the confirmation from his dad. 2/3
— Sven Claes (@svenclaes) July 26, 2014The Mirror also confirms the deal, and claims the following:
* LFC have agreed a £12.5m (€16m) fee for Origi.
* He rejected Arsenal, Tottenham and Atletico Madrid.
* The 19-year old will stay at Lille on loan for a year.
* BR met with Origi and outlined his plans for the future.
* It took Origi 3 weeks to think about the move and agree to sign.
Former Ajax and Anderlecht striker Jan Mulder - now a well-known football analyst in the Netherlands - believes that Liverpool have pulled off a genuine transfer coup. In a recent interview with Het Niewsblad, he raved:
"It's an unbelievably low price. Origi is a winner, and at the World Cup I enjoyed watching him more than Hazard. He has style, technique, and makes intelligent runs, a bit like Marco van Basten".
One thing I can't get my head around: How does a 19-year old striker with a comparatively meagre goal return cost more than both Daniel Sturridge, Coutinho, and Loic Remy?
It's entirely possible that Liverpool have scouted Origi extensively over the last couple of years, but I personally doubt that's true. 7 goals/0 assists in 45 games is nothing to get excited about, and certainly doesn't justify LFC's intense pursuit of the player.
In my view, it's more likely that Rodgers is jumping on the Belgium bandwagon, hoping that Origi will turn out to be the next big thing. Given the huge number of quality players produced by Belgium over the last few years, the odds on Origi becoming the next Lukaku or Benteke are probably attractive, but it's still a massive gamble (IMO)
It also doesn't sit well with me that Rodgers seemingly had to make a concerted effort to convince Origi to sign. Who does this guy think he is? He's a frickin' teenager who's done nothing in the game, and he should be thankful that he is being offered the privilege of playing for one of history's most renowned clubs.
Clearly, Origi has no affinity for Liverpool, or he would've immediately jumped at the chance to sign for the club (like Lallana, for example). It wouldn't surprise me, either, if his decision ultimately came down to money, but that is purely speculation on my part.
Origi will become the sixth Rodgers signing to go out on loan, which is £49m-worth of LFC's money that is not currently benefiting the club. Is this an effective transfer policy? Time will tell, I guess.
Author: Jaimie K
In this day and age to sign for a club is an absolutely massive decision with his future and yes multi-millions of euros at stake. It is right that he and his advisers took time to reach a decision
ReplyDeleteClearly it is no longer just a question of signing up for some extra pocket money for the club you adored since you were a boy
Jesus, chill out mate. You don't know how much Rogers scouted him and it's an insult to suggest he's buying him just because he's Belgian. After what he's done with Sturridge and Suarez in the last two years he obviously feels he has a lot of raw quality to work with. The fact the lad wanted time to think over his move with several clubs chasing him is perfectly reasonable and sensible.
ReplyDeleteYeah, Jaimie, it's not just as simple as you like to think it is.
ReplyDeleteWhy is everything this author writes soo negative. Jamie, it's not championship manager mate. Stop being a back seat critique.
ReplyDeleteI adore Liverpool, but if I were a promising young player who had offers from clubs including Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd etc, I wouldn't accept Liverpool straight away, I'd pick the offer which is best for my career.
ReplyDeleteMany clubs were after Origi's signature and he chose us! He will join the squad in 2015/16 after getting another season of first team football.Lille. Nothing wrong with that.
ReplyDeleteWatching this kid at the World Cup, keeping Lukaku on the bench, looked like he was playing at the highest level for years. When our interest was made public I started nodding my head up and down with a smile on my face. Hopefully this player will be everything Ryan Babel wasn't.
It's weird how he kept Lukaku out of the squad; Lukaku has just come off an outstanding season in the EPL. Origi is just a rookie playing for Lille. Lukaku must be wondering what the farken hell he has to do to officially establish himself as a top striker, because no matter what he does, he struggles to impress his two most important bosses- Mourinho and the Belgium manager.
ReplyDeleteMaybe it is something called 'attitude'? Not sure.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure about that. If he had a bad attitude he wouldn't be Everton's star man.
ReplyDeleteWho is Lukaku's competition at Everton? He will be first choice all the time, every time.
ReplyDeleteAlso, the Belgium coach would not have just picked an 19 tear old inexperienced Origi just for the sake of giving him playing time in a World Cup match.
Dude, why the hell do you always manage to find a way to go off-topic? I wasn't talking about his competition for a first team spot at Everton, I was talking about his fantastic, consistent form.
ReplyDeleteYou need a good attitude to transform a permanent spot in the first team plus a lot of talent into wonderful end product.
ReplyDeleteBut that was the impression I got when you said he was Everton's star man and me following up with who is going to knock him of his perch.
ReplyDeleteIt was never about who's going to knock him off his perch; it's the fact that he's playing superbly in the first place!
ReplyDeleteYes but this is where we do not know why Mourinho told him to take a hike and then is on the bench for Belgium. Something must be up?
ReplyDeleteMourinho thinks differently to everyone else, and maybe Belgium think that Origi is more talented.
ReplyDeleteMy point is that he will not have any issues getting into the first team at Everton as there is nobody else who Martinez will favour over him unless you can point that player out.
ReplyDeleteI don't really care about this point you're making out because it's completely unrelated to what I was talking about.
ReplyDeleteBut we do not know what is really going on. We are speculating why he was chased away by Chelsea and then given bench duty for Belgium. My view is that maybe he thinks he is better than any other player around him. Just my view...
ReplyDeleteYou were mentioned Lukaku being the star man at Everton? I explained why he is. How can that be unrelated?
ReplyDeleteThat whole Belgium bandwagon thing is hugely disrespectful and massively condescending to the professionals working at LFC.
ReplyDeleteI am in much agreement.
ReplyDeleteForm. If Lukaku wasn't looking right on the pitch or in training and Origi was raring to go then the choice seems obvious. We don't know but there must be a reason. As good as Lukaku is his fitness levels have never been the best.
ReplyDeleteI also made a similar point. Getting up to fitness and rearing to go would have to do with attitude? Would these factors really matter that much when a player like Lukaku has no competition at Everton?
ReplyDeleteBut then i was told I was going off topic.
Fitness may not have anything to do with attitude though. Also why would he have less problems with attitude when there was less competition? My point was that Lukaku had a longer season than Origi in terms or game time and Lukaku the big unit that he is may have been feeling the fatigue.
ReplyDeleteIt's all speculation like.
To get up to fitness you need to be willing to put in the work required. Some players are lazy in training. That has to do with attitude. I am not saying Lukaku is but Chelsea chased him away and then he sits on the bench for Belgium. 'If" Lukaku is lazy in training at Everton then it would not really matter as he is a good player with no other players pushing him for a place in Martinez's selection.
ReplyDeleteYes, we are speculating but as you say and as I mentioned, there must be a reason which none of us know about.
It's a fair point I suppose. Perhaps he is one of those "I'll do it on the day" types. Mourinho loves his work horses. If it was fatigue though no amount of positive thinking can really help. Sometimes your body just needs to rest.
ReplyDeleteNo offence (gunner here), but how the hell has this guy rejected Arsenal?. He hasn't and we were never interested, why would we sign this guy when we were chasing Sanchez, Balotelli, Falcao, Benzema, J. Martinez or at very least Lukaku.
ReplyDeleteBy observing this guy at the World Cup he looks like another N'gog, lots of pace not a bad touch but no composure. We have our own N'gog or Origi in Sanogo so why would we want him. Bargain basement at arsenal is a thing of the past at the gunners fortunately. ;)
But on a lighter note.............. good luck to Liverpool for the coming season, glad the boys in the board room saw the light selling Sharky. Him and Barca suit each other no class, no integrity. Look forward to our first game against each other
Sanogo? Did he ever play at the World Cup? Ngog? He was and now even is nowhere near what I saw from Origi at the World Cup.
ReplyDeleteOrigi is 19 for bloody hell sake :-)
Het Belang van Limburg this morning states we're paying 12.5 million euros. That's less than Sturridge. The fact that he took his time to make a decision just shows he's a sensible lad who's well advised. He could of course just sign because a big club comes in for him but we all know how well that worked out for guys like Royston Drenthe, Lukaku or DeBruyne. So what if he wants to make sure he does what is best for him? It's his career!
ReplyDeleteIf we could only sign players who supported us as a boy we'd be limited to mostly English and Irish signings. Origi is 19, when he was a 5 year old, we were playing the most boring football on the planet under Houllier. I can tell you you don't see that many LFC jerseys on kids in Holland, France, Germany or Belgium.
ReplyDelete>>>>"One thing I can't get my head around: How does a 19-year old striker with a comparatively meagre goal return cost more than both Daniel Sturridge, Coutinho and Loic Remy."
ReplyDeleteBecause unlike the 3 of them, he's a World Cup starter at 19 years old, displacing an established striker in Lukaku from the starting line-up for one thing.
For another thing, because Brendan and his scouting staff are better suited at evaluating talent than some armchair expert who knows eff all.
>>>"...It wouldn't surprise me, either, if his decision ultimately came down to money, but that is purely speculation on my part."
...You think?
Maybe lay off the groundless speculation a bit then?
I mean what the eff do you have it so in for this guy for? Whatever his reasons for deciding to sign with us and however long he took, why not just get behind him now that he's a Liverpool player instead of shitting all over him?
I mean what's the matter with you?
>>>>"Is this an effective transfer policy"
Geez, you're so full of shit.
Unbelievably so.
Might I suggest a trip down the M35 to support a club that might be more to your liking?
I agree 100% at the end of the day it is YOUR career and you have to decide what is the best move for you (internationally and financially)
ReplyDelete>>>>"By observing this guy at the World Cup he looks like another N'gog,...."
ReplyDeleteWho played in the World Cup too as a starter displacing a more experienced striker, I'm sure.
Oh wait...
hahahaha does it make you happier to include "reject Arsenal" in your headlines? Its fine. We take Sanchez over this any day. You can have the Origis, the Lallanas, and the Remys. Have fun!
ReplyDeleteWhy would he have any allegiance to us? He's clearly had numerous offers from teams and he and his family/advisors have taken a couple of weeks to figure out which was the best for him. Of course money will have been mentioned but I'm sure his development as a player might have got a mention too. If anyone had numerous attractive job offers would most people not ask for a couple of weeks to think things over? Seems like a fairly rational thing to do to me and really not an acceptable reason to criticise a player IMO.
ReplyDeleteI also can't see the club just taking a punt on a Belgian cos there's been a few good ones
And I suppose you are the arbiter of what is and is not 'acceptable' when it comes to player criticism. Please just stick to giving your view, and drop the moral judgments of other peoples' opinions.
ReplyDeleteAs for lFC taking a punt because of Belgium's prodigious production line - why is this not a possibility? Just because fans don't like the idea doesn't mean it couldn't happen.
Who cares? Why is this relevant? It's the Premier League, and Lukaku still has to do the business. Plenty of strikers older than him struggle to consistently score in the Prem.
ReplyDeleteLukaku is 21; he's grabbed 42 goals/assists in 66 Premier League games, which is an amazing record for a striker his age. There are very few strikers of a similar age in *world football* with that kind of record, yet you predictably dismiss him to further your tiresome agenda of blind faith in Rodgers' transfer business.
No doubt, you'll be harping on about how Origi is the second coming now, and over the next year, you'll be trying to convince everyone and his dog that Origi is the next Henry 'because he started ahead of Lukaku at the world cup'.
We were discussing why Lukaku was benched by Belgium and Orgi being selected ahead of him.
ReplyDeleteI never mentioned anything about Origi being the second coming.
Are you even capable of reading the written word without misinterpretation? I didn't say that you'd said Origi is the second coming; I said *in the future* - as you do with Allen, Sakho et al - you'll probably endlessly lionise Origi, as you're already doing now, despite knowing next to nothing about the player apart from what you saw in the World Cup.
ReplyDeleteMany people have been impressed with Origi's display at the World Cup.
ReplyDeleteIf you saw Lukaku during the first two games at the world cup it would have been obvious. The only mysterie there was why he kept playing Hazard who was the only player to underperform more than Lukaku.
ReplyDeleteHe choose Origi because he is most similar in style to Benteke.
ReplyDeleteHe started the first two games for Belgium. Out of a total of five matches played. He started the first two games, was nowhere to be seen so he was dropped. In a league season 38 games long you wouldn't do that but since a world cup is a maximum of seven or eight games long, you can't sit around and wait some more. That was all there was to it. Origi then got his chance and took it during those two games and as such started the third one. Makes perfect sense. Nothing more to it than that.
ReplyDeleteWelcome Origi .... YNWA
ReplyDeleteYes, many people have been spoon-fed hype by the media and lapped it up. LFC were linked with Origi during the world cup, so obviously he'd come onto fans' radar. I'm sure there are a small number of fans who'd heard of Origi prior to the World Cup, but it's likely that the majority (myself included) had no idea he even existed.
ReplyDeleteI seen an interview with James Pearce of the Liverpool echo a while ago and was saying that Liverpool had long-standing interest in origi and actually nearly had a deal done before the world cup.
ReplyDeleteIf such an interview exists, then please post the link.
ReplyDeleteI would
ReplyDeleteOrigi would have been the fresher of the two a full EPL season does take its toll on players.
ReplyDeleteBut then what is wrong with those fans who have been impressed and now getting excited about Origi signing for LFC?
ReplyDeleteIt is not like anyone is claiming that he is going to be the next Henry. Belgium have produced some the best youngsters over the years. Now we have one of them.
Not sure about that. Origi featured in 35 matches last season. Lukaku 33.
ReplyDeleteNo way, his attitude has always been stellar. He just needs to get involved with the game more when it doesn't go his way. Needs to drop back, go wide, put a few fouls in even.
ReplyDeleteI love how you managed to beat Arsenal to a player it didn't try to sign. Congtrats on that. Arsenal will be gutted. Really gets it back for the Sanchez deal.
ReplyDelete'Who does this guy think he is?' Don't think you can dislike a signing because a player wanted to think about what was best for his career. He's 19 and a move to a foreign club is a big decision especially seeing that 4 or 5 other big clubs were in for him. If anything, the fact he's clearly had a proper sit down and hard think about what is best for his career both short term and long term gives me mor .hope for the future as ng he has picked us.
ReplyDeleteYou're being picked on for being mildly enthusiastic about a new signing. Nobody knows if it will be a brilliant move or not but as much as we can be negative about it we can be positive about it. Good luck to the boy. Hope he does well for us and for Lille next season.
ReplyDeleteI agree. It is nothing but positive that he took time to evaluate his options, and if anything reflects positively on us that after careful consideration he chose LFC. If Lallana had Athletico and Arsenal after him as well do you think that he would have only jumped at the chance to sign for us?
ReplyDeleteI have to say Jamie that you obviously didn't watch Origi play in the World Cup if you are being so negative...this is a genuinely talented player with a rare combination of size, athleticism, speed and technical ability....and he is 19! The potential upside on this player is huge and I personally think its an excellent signing. It shows that Liverpool are planning long term and recognises that in modern football business there is inevitable turnover of players every season and you have to capture young talent to have a conveyor belt of players to eventually come in. Origi wll be playing in a good side and likely getting regular valuable European experience with Lille and that should help his development prior to joining Liverpool next summer.
ReplyDeleteYou seem to be continually complaining about signings when what is apparent is that there does seem to be genuine thought and planning going on in who we are signing and any signing is a risk. It is very unlikely Liverpool won't have scouted a player thoroughly before they sign them as you've suggested by your "jumping on the Belgian bandwagon" statement. You also seem a bit obsessed with stats which I'd ludicrous when we are talking about young players. You also keep complaining about having too many players for certain positions.
It looks like Remy and Lovren are on the way to address centre back and striker issues, looks like we are targetting a couple of good fullbacks and we have added creative talent in Lallana and Markovic. Improving squad depth has been imperative as injuries in a season are inevitable and we are going to be looking to perform on multiple fronts this year. We'll need a lot of good players we can interchange and I think we'll have that.
The one area I would like us to further strengthen with that in mind is central midfield and I would love us to get Vidal as he is the all action, all round player with the energy and engine to really suit Liverpool. Reus would be great but just can't see that happening as think he has his heart set on Barcelona.
Logan, you are one frustrating person. He's not the star man because he's guaranteed a spot, he's the star man because he happens to be a very good player. If Joe bloody Cole was guaranteed a start because they had no other mids, does that make him the star player?
ReplyDeleteGame time is minutes mate. Lukaku played more full games. By a distance.
ReplyDeleteHit the nail on the head here mate, you'll find this guy gets quite a lot of stick for his enthusiasm. I say fair play to him for not being negative about everything.
ReplyDeleteI'm entitled to my view just like anyone else, and if you can't handle that (as evidence by your constant complaining about my opinion), then tough luck.
ReplyDeleteI watched every match in which Origi played, and I don't share your view of his talent. Is that okay with you? I bet you'd never heard of Origi prior to the World Cup, and not, he allegedly has 'rare ability'.
Plus, the Premier League is much more physical and draining than Ligue 1.
ReplyDeleteYes I am looking forward to our first game against Ar5ena1 and hope it is similar to the last one
ReplyDeleteTotally agree.
ReplyDeleteI might too but then we're just fans and sad to say it ain't going to happen for either of us. (unless of course you're Phil Coutinho) ;-)j
ReplyDeleteI share your view of his talent,i'm convinced he's an excellent prospect,well done BR and LFC.
ReplyDeleteThat is why I said I was not sure.
ReplyDeleteLukaku: 2801 minutes
Origi: 1753 minutes
Sorry but I feel I have explained myself. You can even go look at the conversation with Greg and myself where he said I made a good point.
ReplyDeleteRemember, I am entitled to my opinion as much as you are.
Sorry, a fair point is what he actually said.
ReplyDeleteIt may be a fair point in itself but it's completely irrelevant.
ReplyDeleteThere is no reason to believe that Liverpool didn't extensively scout Origi, in fact the opposite is more likely. We know Liverpool have a team of scouts and analysts and everything Rodgers has every said about targets is that the club spends quite a bit of time checking out a player and have a list of targets in advance of the window opening. It may be the case that Origi enhanced his showing at the world cup but there is nothing wrong with that. Having a good tournament on a big stage like that takes maturity and composure. To do that at the age of 19 is impressive and although it certainly doesn't prove him as a player it does add another factor in helping decide on him as a target. It seems like the suggestion is that this is a short sighted decision by Rodgers, that he's making an impulse buy. Given the amount of time spent trying to get the player and the effort we've put in I find that extremely unlikely. Everything about this deal suggests Liverpool are acting very deliberately and carefully. Very simply: they want Origi and will have given him a very good look. You're searching for something negative about the way the club are handling this but there is nothing there.
ReplyDeleteAs for the player himself there is of course plenty of reason to debate his quality and the price paid. He'll almost certainly play at Lille again next year which is good, it will get him a real chance to further lock down time on the pitch and develop his game. He would have little chance of getting much time at Liverpool. I suppose all we can do is watch how he does. He's a raw talent, nothing more. We all saw his quality in Brazil and there is enough to be impressed by but he has a ton to learn. It's more of the same from Liverpool - pulling the trigger on sizeable deals for young players who are far from the finished article. Just like you say, time will tell if it's a strategy that pays off. I'm happy for Liverpool to make these kinds of deals, at least it shows a clear and decisive strategy. It's better to try something rather than stagnate in the transfer market and keep missing out on targets because they don't all want to play here.
The player taking his time to choose ... I think you're out of line on this one. Word has it that the player also had the interest of Atletico, probably others too, plus his current team no doubt would like him to stay. Who does he think he is? He's a good player who has a number of options and the eye of the world still remembering his world cup performances. If Arsenal and Atletico put serious offers on the table then any football player on the planet would have a sit down and take their sweet time deciding which club to play for, that's just common sense. Origi has no reason to have an allegiance towards Liverpool, the notion that we'll only sign players who think Liverpool are the best team ever is a bit dumb. He's needs to do what is best for his career and no matter what his age is he's still a valuable asset who should be careful about what he decides to do. No shame in Liverpool making a strong case and being honest about their admiration for the player. The delay means nothing to us anyway, it makes zero difference as the player is going to stay at Lille.
I don't give a shit about what Greg said. F*** it, you're way too confusing to debate with.
ReplyDelete'Out of line'? Cry me a river. In my view, it shouldn't take this long for a 19-year old with no standing in the game to choose Liverpool.
ReplyDeleteWith respect, you're beginning to rival Logan in your endless blind faith/justifications for Rodgers' transfer business. No matter what the deal, you'll come up with some positive spin. That's your right, of course.
“They’ve backed us in terms of getting players in and hopefully we can get one or two more in which will give us great depth going into all the competitions.”
ReplyDeleteAre those one or two more after we have completed signing Remy, Origi and Lovren? Manquillo and another LB perhaps.
Why is it hard to think LFC scouted him proir to his appearance in the World Cup, their were talks of us having a look at Solomon Kalou, as a cheaper alternative/options from the bench. It's not going to take much effort too turn your head to the opposite flank and look at the other wide forward (Origi).... Just a though.
ReplyDeletePlus, Lille produce good young talent, I wouldn't be suprised that we had scout visit, to view players in general from there. (everyone could do with a Eden Hazard)
Reports out of Spain linking Agger and Barcelona again.
ReplyDeleteConstant complaining? Lol. You are funny Jamie. I don't post that often for that to be true.
ReplyDeleteLiverpool have made fantastic strides in the last 2 years and nobody could really have imagined we'd be competing for the League title last year....the transfer market is always a risk and you have to speculate and project the trajectory of players into the future, and secure top young talent when possible. Look at every major European side and you'll see they all have lots of their talented young players out on loan....and in each case only a few will really make the very top grade for those teams.
Also, the reality is that not every top player is going to want to come to Liverpool until we have really re-established ourselves as Champions League regulars. I've supported Liverpool for 40 years so know the history and success of the club...but for players from across Europe in their 20s how much success will they have seen Liverpool have? That will have a bearing on how Liverpool are perceived.
Unfortunately there'll be players who would rather be based in London, or who see Man Utd, Chelsea and Man City as more glamorous and recently successful clubs The market for players for Liverpool is probably just not quite as big and open for the very elite players as we might like to think so the focus on top young talent we can develop is a practical approach and reflects where Liverpool are in its progression towards once again becoming an elite British and European side. This isn't fantasy football...we have to recognise how things are and the constraints the club has to work within.
Roger's background is in developing young players so, though I certainly don't agree with all his signings and decisions, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt given the fact we have seen young players like Sterling, Coutinho and Flanagan come through, and the significant progress as a team we have made.
It's not hard to think that. I accept that's a possibility, and I've already stated that. However, I personally think it's more likely to be an opportunist signing. Why is *that* so hard for some to grasp?
ReplyDeletethats what happened with Walcott
ReplyDeleteIf a bid does come in, let's take it.
ReplyDeleteBecause to everyone else it seems less likely. That level of of decision making would be verging on incompetence.
ReplyDeleteYou make it sound like football managers are immune from incompetence. They're human beings. not deities; there are countless examples of transfer-related incompetence. The Andy Carroll deal is one such example; Souness signing George Weah's 'cousin' on the basis of a random phone-call; Liverpool signing Sean Dundee; Liverpool sending Suso and Borini on loan, then spending £16m on Alberto and Aspas, two players who made absolutely zero impact for LFC, and have now been scrapped.
ReplyDeleteGambling, risk-taking, opportunism (and incompetence) are human nature, and these things don't cease to exist just because someone is employed as a football manager.
I agree with you. I believe Liverpool were aware of Origi but did not IMO seriously consider him for a transfer before the WC. Clubs from France, Germany, Belgium, Croatia, Portugal etc manage to find young talent and nurture them unlike most of the bigger, more reputable clubs. They are comparative bargains, signing players at 16 or so, instead of say, 21, like Liverpool have done recently, when they may have risen to prominence a little.
ReplyDeleteAs such, Origi burst onto the scene, he fit the LFC criteria with his age and medium price point, so he was snapped up. Loaning Origi out may benefit him this season, but what happens in the future? Lambert will be a year older, and assuming Remy is at the club, it doesn't leave room for the possibility of a new signing. So, if Origi does not have a standout season, he will never play for Liverpool. I don't see any problems with Origi as an individual, but when you factor in the situation of the current squad, it doesn't make sense to me.
Stop meandering from the point....
ReplyDeleteWe are talking about initial scouting, not the manager, you always pull Logan upon this so stop throwing stones at glass houses. (sorry Logan to use you as a reference point).
What do you think our scouts do look at players FIFA ratings and chose who to buy? We have assigned scouts, probably for each league/continent.
It is less likely that our scouts are picking players on fashion/fads (Belgian players) because these players are the new black. They probably have too meet a certain criteria before being put forwards to the manager i.e potential, longevity and how his attributes would compliment the team. FSG are a sports brand know for calculated gambles, not fads.
Opportunism, does to a certain degree exist in all transfers... Look at Luis Suarez and Harry Redknapp, he viewed Suarez as a player that wouldn't cut the mustard.
That's a bit tough on Greg ;)
ReplyDeleteAs usual a large portion of your response is focused on the person you disagree with, not what they've actually said. And after all these years you still don't have the first clue what I really think so drop the dumb comments and try and stick to the issue. If I tend to disagree with everything you say, could that possibly be because every article you write is desperately searching for a negative point of view? It's sometimes OK but what I generally take issue with is the pure speculation and in this instance that's exactly what this is. You have not the vaguest notion what Liverpool have done as a club with regards Origi so I find the notion that you come up with an opinion on the matter kind of laughable. Nothing that you've said has even a shred of credibility so I'm comfortable taking a few liberties of my own. Saying that, my alternative explanation is still more plausible, even if it is overwhelmingly positive.
ReplyDeleteI posted a link to what seems to be a Belgium newspaper which broke news of LFC scouting Origi back in April this year which would make it before the World Cup.
ReplyDeleteI'm not so sure any more. I think you've written a complete list. Rodgers doesn't seem to have a Suarez replacement lined up which I'm a bit disappointed with. It looks like he's going to rely on Sterling, Coutinho, Lallana and maybe Markovic to do most of the creating. I think that can work but most of us seemed to be expecting someone else, someone with a bit more ability. It surprises me because we were genuinely up for Sanchez but then haven't gone for someone else of a similar calibre.
ReplyDeleteShhhh, don't be too positive.
ReplyDeleteI'll try not too. It is a sin ;-)
ReplyDeleteSpot on!
ReplyDeleteI just don't see our meticulous manager spending that kind of money on a player just because he's Belgian, I'm not saying it isn't possible but it's not really likely.
ReplyDeleteAnd no I'm not the arbiter on what is an acceptable reason to criticise a player but either are you. I just made the point that taking 3 weeks for a teenager to make the biggest decision of his life really isn't that unreasonable and I find criticising the kid ALREADY is pretty harsh to say the least
I am sure everyone would be happy with a player similar to Sanchez but those type of players are not freely available.
ReplyDeleteI think Remy will add some magic to our squad and we just cannot go wrong at the price we are getting him at. Premier League proven too.
Chances are that a player like Sanchez who I am a massive fan of will take the league by storm but then there is also the La Liga to the EPL factor which has seen many players fail to adapt. It is 50/50 for now...
Sport/article/detail/1853808/2014/04/15/Origi-18-in-het-vizier-van-Liverpool
ReplyDeleteYou will need to translate the page. It is dated Apr 15, 2014.
I think you need to give Remy an honest chance. He has been a proven goal scorer with every team he has been on, teams that really didn't have the support network (Newc, Nice, QPR) that LFC midfielders will presumably provide. I think he will flourish at LFC and I can't wait to see it.
ReplyDeleteWho wouldn't want a Saurez replacement and Liverpool wanted and pursued Sanchez but he chose Arsenal...nothing Liverpool could have done it seems to have altered that situation. Similar players have generally wanted to go to the likes of Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern or Chelsea and Man City because of their financial muscle.
ReplyDeleteLiverpool also had a decision to make...go for one or two marquee signings or properly address depth of quality in the squad across a lot of positions given they want to be competitive across a lot competitions this coming season including Champions League. I think on balance they've probably made the right decision in trying to ensure they have good quality and depth in all areas as they probably will struggle to compete financially in terms of wages given they don'tquite have the financial muscle of some other teams for marquee signings. We have to hope that some of the players we have brought in develop into that type of player....as Suarez did...I'm not sure Suarez was considered genuinely world class when we bought him chance the £50+ return on the price we originally paid.
Saying that, I genuinely think that Arturo Vidal at £35m-£40m is worth doing IF he genuinely wants to play for Liverpool. He addresses the need for a genuinely world class dynamic all round midfield player with the energy and stamina Liverpool's style of play demands. He would bring to the team what we have missed since Mascherano left and with Gerrard's advancing years.
James Pearce @JamesPearceEcho
ReplyDelete#LFC pull out of deal for Remy at 11th hour after concerns over medical.
Wonder what happened?.
Just saw that. Would love to know what's going on behind the scenes.
ReplyDeleteThe Remy deal is off, bad news.
ReplyDeleteWe need a quality striker so who are we going to buy?
Well if he has failed the medical then the club are doing the right thing by walking away.
ReplyDeleteWe still have time to find another player...
I'd rather jump on the Belgian bandwagon that the Dutch one.
ReplyDeleteOrigi is a long shot, but one we should take. He has all the qualities to be a future 1st team player.
just seen that also wonder who BR has in mind next
ReplyDeleteI would honestly go for Alexandre Lacazette.
ReplyDeleteWonder if we've already found one, and that is another reason for backing out of the Remy deal.
ReplyDeleteAmazing how a guy who can look lost at times here still draws interest of one of the top teams in the world
ReplyDeleteI reckon i remember reading Remy had some heart issue i dont know how bad though.
ReplyDeletedo u think BR will turn back his attention to Bony..thats if he was interested in him in the first place
ReplyDeleteIt depends on how much Swansea want for Bony and I am of the opinion that they are going to make us pay heavily if we want him.
ReplyDeletePass.
ReplyDeleteIn fairness to the first sentence about the 19 year old taking this long, it's simply because there were supposedly other bids for him. He had a choice of where to go.
ReplyDeleteWhat concerns me is why Lille were willing to sell, and what could be considered comparatively cheap (especially compared to Markovic who is only a year old). I think it goes to show that there is a certain hesitation (for lack of a better word) about the player that echoes what you've been saying for a while about him, which I happen to agree with you. Seems like no one knew about him until a month ago and all of a sudden he's the next best thing since sliced bread.
Also, just because you say "With Respect", doesn't mean that the following potentially disrespectful line any less disrespectful :)
pass also that's why im concerned
ReplyDeleteIf its possible we should splash all the cash on Reus, but I'm probably dreaming. I agree, Lacazette seems like a decent option but he will cost almost 20M. Aulas, Lyon's chairman is a tough negotiator.
ReplyDeleteJust move on to the next player on the shortlist.
ReplyDeleteJay Rodriguez?
ReplyDeleteThe activity on this page has exploded in the last few minutes...
ReplyDeleteI cannot see Klopp letting go of Reus.
ReplyDeleteHe is injured. Not sure mate.
ReplyDeleteWe definitely have an interest in Lacazette. We will have to see.
If the board agrees and Reus wants to go, there is not much that Klopp can do, but I think you are right. Reus is too important for Dortmund. They can not afford to lose another star player.
ReplyDeleteI just wish we go for it and activate his release clause if it exist ofcourse and make a huge statement
ReplyDeleteOne of the worst written articles I have ever read.
ReplyDeleteYeah. He failed a medical for marseille as well because he had a heart attack but they still signed him. I think shaqiri will definitely be signed now.
ReplyDeleteI like him. Young and the player I want to sign.
ReplyDeleteI have a stupid question:
ReplyDeleteIf he signed a five year deal with us, but we immediately loan him back to Lille, does the first year of our deal with him kick in this year while he's on loan, or next year, when he comes to Anfield?
Just a bit of a different scenario than a normal loan scenario (i.e. Pepe Reina).
Wasn't sure how contractually it would work.
IMO the deal would kick in immediately.
ReplyDeleteIt isn't off topic, in Logan's defence. You brought up him being the
ReplyDeletestar man at Everton and then he questioned that. You introduced the
Everton element into the conversation.
Logan questioned Lukaku's attitude (just as a theory) then you said "if he had a bad attitude he wouldn't be Everton's star man".
Logan then suggested that perhaps he doesn't have a great attitude but thrives at Everton due to lack of competition. This is all perfectly relevant.
But those players signed may have been mistakes were actually see scouted. After the Carroll deal surely no one at the club would be allowing such decisions as "he's Belgium sign him". That is not just making a human mistake that is ale house football manager and if (and I doubt it) it was the case that person should be sacked on the spot. A lot has changed since Sounes's day. Sh1t a.lot has changed since the Carroll deal.
ReplyDeleteYour simplistic interpretation is not what I've suggested. I'm not saying Rodgers said 'sign him, he's Belgian!' - I'm suggesting that LFC saw Origi's performance in the World Cup, and quickly pushed ahead with a deal, hoping to get ahead of the curve. They probably looked at the success of Lukaku and Benteke - and the effectiveness of Belgium's youth system - and decided that the odds are high that Origi may turn out to be the next big thing.
ReplyDeleteAgree to disagree.
ReplyDeleteLondon,
ReplyDelete100% correct on Vidal if he wants to come. With rely failing the physical, a guy like him AND Ricardo Rodriguez at left back make the squad as a whole very dangerous albeit still not fabulous at striker...
Medical passed ? not according to the Bognor Regis Observer.
ReplyDeleteThank you.
ReplyDeleteI don't even think arsenal were interested. Nice replacement for Suarez though..
ReplyDeleteWho does he think he is? A teenager planning the next five years of his young life. Moving to a new country - again. I think it is preposterous to accuse him of being ungrateful at the offer. I am glad he has the common sense to properly consider the deal. It shows more intelligence than most young footballers.
ReplyDeleteThe first year of the 5 would be used up at Lille.
ReplyDeleteHe'd have 4 years left on his contract when he returns to us next season.
It is irrelevant.
ReplyDelete* Lukaku *is* a star for Everton; his job is to score and create goals, and he did his job in spades.
* The fact that Everton don't have other strikers challenging him is utterly irrelevant to how he's actually performance for the club.
* Everton's lack of top class strikers is not Lukaku's fault, so why is it relevant? It's just a way of trying to belittle Lukaku's contribution.
* Additionally, where is the connection between Lukaku being Everton's 'star man', and him being subtly accused of having an 'attitude', for which there is no proof whatsoever?
Nick is right to question the attitude statement. Every manager with whom Lukaku has worked gives the player glowing reviews, especially Martinez, so where does this 'attitude' nonsense come from? it's just another pointless tangent, and is similar to the spurious chinese whispers about Sturridge's alleged 'attitude'.
I would go for Jackson Martinez or Mario Ballotelli
ReplyDeleteI know expect Origi to hit 30 in france while Sanchez to flop
ReplyDelete12.5m it was 9.5 a week ago!
ReplyDeleteRejected Arsenal! Says who? Or just to add 'value' to the deal, eh?
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