5/22/2013 06:15:00 pm

Desperation: 'Fantastic' £15m LFC star in urgent transfer talks with BR. Admirable...?

Speculation over the future of Liverpool flop Andy Carroll has reached fever pitch this week, and in the last 24 hours, things have intensified to the point that the £35m striker seems to be on the verge of finally leaving Anfield. Alas, things are never that simple when it comes to Liverpool, and it looks like there's still a possibility that Carroll may stay at the club.

Over the weekend, Sam Allardyce confirmed that signing Carroll on a permanent deal is West Ham's 'main transfer priority' this summer, and yesterday, Liverpool reportedly accepted the Hammers' £15m bid.

Alas, according to The Telegraph, Carroll doesn't want to go:

"Carroll held talks with Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers in the last 24 hours when he was informed he could move to Upton Park on a permanent transfer.

"Instead, the former Newcastle United forward said he remained determined to prove himself at Anfield despite knowing he would be only a squad player".


As much as I want Carroll to leave, you have to admire his determination to succeed at Anfield. He could just take the easy route and join West Ham, a club where he is valued by the manager, players and fans, and played regularly in a team set-up to serve him.

However, Carroll - - recently described by team-mate Kevin Nolan as 'fantastic' - clearly feels as if he has something to prove at Liverpool, and he probably knows that if he joins West Ham, history will always paint him as an Anfield failure, a reality that probably stings.

If Carroll's desire to stay is genuinely motivated by a burning desire to prove himself, then you have to respect that. With very few exceptions, players only get one chance to play for Liverpool, and with the likes of Henderson and Downing improving exponentially in their sophomore seasons, Carroll probably thinks he can do the same.

In any event, Liverpool may have no choice but to keep Carroll - he is currently injured, and could be out for 3-4 months (according to some reports), and if that's the case, West Ham may just decide to look elsewhere. After all, who wants to pay £15m for an increasingly injury-prone player?

My view on Carroll remains the same: keeping him would be a retrograde step for Liverpool. He does not fit the team's style of play, and he lacks the necessary technical and tactical skills to make a consistent difference.

Having said that, end product is all that matters, and if Carroll stays and ends up scoring 20+ goals a season, then I'd have no problem with that. However, with only 7 goals in 23 games for West Ham last season, I can't see him achieving that.

Rodgers has made it clear in the past that he doesn't want a £35m player sitting on the bench, so when it comes to the crunch, I'm sure he'll make it emphatically clear to Carroll that he has no future at Liverpool.

Again, you have to respect Carroll's determination to make it at Anfield, but for the sake of his own career, it's time for him to move on, and accept that it's never going to happen.



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39 Comments :

billy said...

TBH I genuinely feel sorry for the guy. People need to forget about the price tag but it will never happen. It ain't Andy's fault. He is a decent player. I would be more than happy to have him in the team/squad.


Suarez, Sturridge, Carroll, Borini. It could be alot worse. Saying that he will never be judged fairly so it is best to move him on for the reported 15M and use it to improve the team.

Jason Carr said...

forget the price who would you rather have come on to change a game carrol or borinni carroll for me and people who say he does not fit into rodgers style of football do not watch the same side as me how many balls did we chuck in the box on sunday

liverpool4life565 said...

He a good player but he doesn't suit Rodgers way, it be best if he goes so we can buy another striker, I would go for bony,built and he good with his feet! Also next season we can see what borini can do. I'm positive he will come good.

anteater said...

My guess would be that we pay higher wages than West Ham, and that might be part of Andy's motivation to "prove himself at Liverpool".

jackiethemagic said...

...man I dont know about this. obviously I could see the reasons for keeping him (plan B etc.) and it is admirable him trying to stay; though I'm not sure if its about "playing for Liverpool" but rather "paying from Liverpool". Unfortunately the way I see it is; we had too much money and Newcastle knew it so we bought him at an enflated price. We all knew we were never going to get that money back so either we take a loss or make him fit. Obviously we couldnt sell him instantly so Downing was bought to deliver crosses for Andy to feed off of. And yeah there are times when he is simply unplayable. But how often was he just non-existent in matches for us - I mean hes pretty hard to miss but I cant really remember him playing an awful lot except for the goals hes scored. Thats not even an issue for me personally. I realize he could be a game changer of course he would be; hes unlike any other player we have.

What I do have a problem with is that; he just seems to be injured constantly. I might be completely wrong on this - but wasnt he injured when we signed him? He had a missed a large chunk of matches last year too as I recall AND hes been injured half this season AND AND AND Hes currently injured and will be out for four months. I'm sorry but he's got to be on big money and thats just not good enough for a club that should be looking up the table. We cant afford to have another Joe Cole in the stands and its money that could be spent on someone who will be a regular. Not to mention that he suits West Ham way more than he'll suit us. Its really best for everyone in my eyes. Sorry Mr Carroll.

billy said...

I doubt that's anything to do with it TBH!!

redgeorge said...

as an impact player i would have to agree with Jason Carr, with his size and strength he could terrorize defences, but the sad truth is he is unwanted by BR and us mortals have no control of that, so maybe he should join whoever will have him, we could use the money on a more mobile centre forward, oh! and he's injured, again!!

billy said...

I somewhat agree. He definitely would give us something different but he is extremely injury prone. Better options available for 15M on lower wages.

Philtheiron said...

As I see it the only striking point to the transfer of AC to WHUFC is the £35mill elephant in the room! If a sensible price had been paid in the first place then we wouldn't even be having this conversation. The original fee was a huge mistake and has only been made worse by mistake after mistake ever since! The best thing now to do is bite the bullet and move on. West Ham is not only the best transfer for AC but the only one! Lets just get it sorted and bring an end to it all? at least that way we won't have to listen to all the ill informed drivel and speculation about the lad.

Jamie D said...

Andy carol won't play for us again, I've heard a very strong rumour that when BR told him he wouldn't be playing too much this season he went mad and punched him! Hence the reason for the hasty exit towards the end of the window. Also in a golf charity game at Birkdale last summer he got snotted while the rest of the team played and made a royal show of himself. I agree he could be a really good player and it does look like his west ham experience has made him grow up a bit but I think it's too little too late. People need to remember its LFC who are missing out, this has cost us a fortune because a quality player thinks he's joey big bollocks and bigger than our great club. See you later Andy, lets buy some real quality who would give everything for the club. YNWA.

Chris Evans said...

This was happening really quick, I think carrol was being sold to get Erikson bid in, if he don't go were fucked in getting him.I just feel we had plenty of time to sell AC over the summer this was being pushed through fast for a reason, probably the story from last week saying make a bid or I'm signing a new contract.

billy the cat said...

totally agree m8 but till sell REINA haha

Brian said...

Heard a strong rumour - created a strong rumour ?. I'd imagine if this were anywhere near true the tabloids would have been all over it ! :)

tartan360 said...

Carolls a good player but hasn't the mobility to play the pass and move type of football that Rogers has implemented. Caroll had shown flashes of quality for LFC but it was not on a consistent enough basis for me and it's nothing to do with his price tag. He showed some signs towards the end of the season, similarly to this season. I would rather have Suarez, Strurridge, Borini and a quality striker to replace Caroll. Even Remy seems more dynamic who is not even my preferred choice. I hope he goes so we are not reduced to the long ball dross that we previously witnessed at times. That type of football suits West Ham though...

Jamie D said...

I know what your saying Brian but Isis hear it from a good source. It may well be bollocks but it would explain a lot.

billy the cat said...

punched the manager and got pissed think the only rumours u should listen to is fleetwood mac!!

Funkdoc said...

Afraid not good enough, if we want a big man option we need a mobile one not a slow lamp post! The cynic in mr suggests that he's also concerned abt next year's World Cup hence his reluctance to join the hammers. A team in which big Sam said he would build the team around him? So instead he chooses to sit in the bench?!? Mmmmmmmmm

gilstrap said...

its strange ,...we are pricing carroll at 15m and we dont want him sat on the bench yet thats exactly what allen and give a few mill borini are worth yet they are sat on the bench....more bollo*ks .......as for style of play ...we pump just as many high balls up as we ever have..talk abot selective watching

gilstrap said...

he probably isnt good enough but then again neither are allen or borini or the morrocan whos name ive forgot

OriginalChan said...

I can't wait for him to leave permanently. Been a embarrassing chapter in our transfer history.

liverpool4life565 said...

What team would put a 35 million player on the bench who on 90k? waste of money, it's okay for Allen and borini there on 30k a week! And long balls? I think you should go see the stats, we don't do long balls, we do long passes tho. Wisdom ball to Sturridge(quick counter attack) and sunderland Gerrard Hollywood pass straight onto Suarez chest and back of the net. , where have we done a long ball and it's reached a strikers head??:) look at the goals we've scored mainly passing!

liverpool4life565 said...

Allen done well when he joined he had no pre season, he went from the Olympics to Swansea then to us, he hasn't had a break, he will show his worth next year. When he has a pre season behind him. Also borini has been injured can't really judge on 11 starts....

#lfc said...

Any player that wants to stay and fight for LFC is great to see, something that's more common recently (Agger,Skrtel,borini,etc). My opinion is andy has been treated very unfairly, look at the money we have waisted on poor players aqua/keane/downing all £20 mill each pi$$ed away, it's not his fault. Give the lad a chance, he has great close control and laying it off to others is something he is top at, people who say he's a donkey are clearly jumping on the bandwagon of any tall players, look at zlatan ibrahimovic. Actually watch the lad, his confidence has been shot. The goals will come if he gets the box instead of hanging back. I hope he stays and proves everyone wrong and becomes a legend.

Dillon J Indge said...

If West ham had an offer accepted and offered Carrol more wages than what hes on with us and turned it down then id say its admirable yes but the truth is he would be on less moving to the ham.If wages is nothing to do with it then why leave his childhood club (Newcastle ) in the first place to come join us ?I seem to remember Carrol missing an absolute sitter for us against Newcastle which was very suspect if you ask me but dont seem to remember much if anything said about it.The way he fell over trying to kick the ball was quite comical .Have a feeling he didnt want to score against his childhood team.

liverpool4life565 said...

Reports are saying we are going to tie up a deal for lago a spas deal for €7 million, and on 45K a week, would be a good deal, hopefully he can make the same impact as michu did for Swansea!:)

Funkdoc said...

I'm focusing on our strikers & our progression into the top 4. Can't see AC taking us there, Hammers or Stoke is just right for him! I would actually prefer Crouch over AC!

Zanatos said...

Agreed.

HazeyMatt said...

BORINI!! :D !!!!! :P

BEAST said...

We don't"pump as many high balls as we ever have".Stop chatting sh3t.Give me strength! You don't even bother watching our matches.You just come up with random statements on the Internet that don't connect with our performances on the pitch.
What has the valuation we put on a player got to do with anothers that sit on the bench?
ANDY CARROLL doesn't fit our style of play.If he came back we'd have to modify our way of playing to accommodate him.WEST HAM is the best place for AC, they play to his strengths and that style is excepted by their fans.We need a big man option in the squad but if he doesn't have the required technique and mobility, he won't fit into a BR system!

Mr. Point Of View said...

here we go DEJA VU again on Carroll !!! hehe

Eric said...

The problem isn't that Carrol can not meet crosses, it's that he lacks the mobility to play one touch football. You need a fast striker who will be in the box when the crosses come in and Carrol wouldn't be there. In the right team, with the right tactics, Carrol can do a job but we're not that team.

UpPorts said...

It is the 'Liverpool way' to give every player a fair chance to prove himself. Brendan Rodgers has not given Andy Carroll that opportunity because his knowledge of the player's suitability is probably less than that of any Reds supporter - who would have seen him more in action than the manager.


Perhaps he should just ask himself how many league games which were drawn could have been converted into wins by the inclusion of Carroll and his ability to panic defences by his sheer stature and presence in the six yard box. I would like to see where that would have left us in the League table!

HazeyMatt said...

Off topic speaking of our strikers what do people think of Krisztian Adorjan?
Ive always been impressed by him but never sure if he could make it into the senior 11.
I always hear people talk about Ibe, Coady, Teixera but i'd like to hear some thoughts of Adorjan and Pelosi, I believe Pelosi travelled with the Seniors to a Europa league game but didnt make the bench.

islesfan74 said...

Carroll does not have the financial incentive to switch. He'd have to take a relatively substantial pay cut to go to West Ham.


Also, while he had 7 goals in 23 appearances, 6 of those goals came in his last 13 appearances.


If the guy stays healthy, I really believe he could be an asset for us, given his size.


But I also say that if we can get a fair offer for him, we probably have to take it and cash out.

Jason Carr said...

one touch we do not play one touch we play the same as everybody else better than some worse than others;-)

lfcrednick2 said...

always thought adorjan was a midfielder hmm but well he got his real chance in the pre-season and well didn show up.... he seems to be really good in the reserves but like suso when it comes to the senior side idk but they don't seem to be what were looking for but still i'm hoping they both prove me wrong would love the kids to thrive under BR especially mclaughlin love that guy

lfcrednick2 said...

quite true and well its AC he does like his liquor

HazeyMatt said...

You may be right about Adorjan, but everytime ive seen him play its either on the flank or in the number 10 so i always assumed forward.
Definitely agree with you about mclaughlin, love him

Lumenta said...

I wouldnt mind
Defence
Papadopolous , Dejan Lovern , Chekhou Kouyate
Midfield
Jens Hegeler , Valentin Stocker ,
Striker
Nelson Oliveria

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