Liverpool are through to the fourth round of the FA Cup tonight after snatching a disappointing Pyrrhic victory against non-league Mansfield Town. The undeserved 'win' came courtesy of a blatant handball by Luis Suarez, and after the game, the player closest to the incident attacked the Liverpool striker for his conduct.
Speaking to reporters, Mansfield goalkeeper Alan Marriott - who was right next to Suarez when the incident took place - suggested that Liverpool's star striker deliberately used his hand to score the goal. He raged:
"When you see Luis Suarez laughing and kicking the ball over the line, you know what has happened.
"Stewart Downing said he couldn't believe the official had missed that. When you see that it is the decisive goal, it is sickens everybody".
To be fair, I can certainly accept that there may *not* have been any intent; it's perfectly possible, even though Suarez's history suggests otherwise. However, the problem with the rabid pro-Suarez brigade is that they are pigheadedly unwilling to accept any possibility that he *may* have intended to use his hand, and when faced with that accusation, they fall back on the usual 'Suarez is the victim' cobblers.
Having viewed the incident from several angles, it could be argued that it was ball to hand, not hand to ball:
* Suarez's hand comes *down* towards the ball. Am I wrong?
* Why would he move his hand towards the ball in the situation?
* Why didn't he just move his hand *away* from the ball?
There will be the usual pro-Suarez hysterics who defend him no matter what, but given his history, is not highly probable that there was an element of intent? Consider, for example:
* Handball against Ghana in the World Cup. Suarez's reaction:
"The Hand of God now belongs to me. Mine is the real Hand Of God. I made the best save of the tournament. Sometimes in training I play as a goalkeeper so it was worth it"
* Deliberate handball against Southampton a couple of weeks ago, for which he received a yellow card. It came from almost the same position as the Mansfield incident:
* Suarez's comments from last season, when he admitted he would happily use his hand in a Liverpool game if it meant a win for the team:
"The sacrifice I made [against Ghana] was because it was so important for Uruguay to make the semi-finals. If I am obliged to stop a ball in the last minute and we win, then I will repeat the action. Success for Liverpool is more important to me than anything else".
So, let's consider the evidence:
* Suarez deliberately cheats in a World Cup Quarter Final by using his hand.
* Suarez admits in an interview that he'd happily cheat for LFC if it meant a win.
* Suarez tries to score with his hand against Southampton this season.
Despite this persuasive evidence, the Suarez apologists will *still* argue that there's no way Suarez intended to use his hand against Mansfield, and they'll present the usual array of excuses:
* It's the ref's fault for not ruling the goal out.
* It's the linesman's fault for not flagging.
* It wasn't deliberate, it was 'instinctive'
* There was no way Suarez could've avoided touching the ball.
Etc.
Obviously, I don't know for a fact that Suarez intended to handle the ball, but, again, his past history suggests it's definitely possible, and in the absence of fact, the next best thing is persuasive empirical evidence.
Anyone who views the footage objectively will concede that Suarez's hand moved towards the ball. Clearly, he knew he'd handled it into the net, but he said nothing to the referee about it. The Uruguayan even completed his usual goal celebration afterwards (!)
To add insult to injury, Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers did not even have the decency to apologise for the incident after the game, even though he admitted it was 'definitely a handball'. All he could think about was defending Suarez, and arguing that it 'wasn't deliberate'.
The least Rodgers should've done is apologise to Mansfield for the injustice of the goal, and the fact that he didn't even think to do that (arguably) reflects badly on him, and the club.
I'll leave you with this question to consider: If the roles were reversed, and Mansfield won the game via a blatant handball, would Liverpool fans just magnanimously accept it and move on. Would Rodgers just dismiss it?
Hell no. Fans across the globe would be foaming at the mouth over the injustice of it, and the hysterical overreaction to every contentious decision that goes against the club supports this.
NOTE: Disagree by all means, but please do so in a civil manner. Anyone who hurls insults will be banned.
Jaimie Kanwar
Speaking to reporters, Mansfield goalkeeper Alan Marriott - who was right next to Suarez when the incident took place - suggested that Liverpool's star striker deliberately used his hand to score the goal. He raged:
"When you see Luis Suarez laughing and kicking the ball over the line, you know what has happened.
"Stewart Downing said he couldn't believe the official had missed that. When you see that it is the decisive goal, it is sickens everybody".
To be fair, I can certainly accept that there may *not* have been any intent; it's perfectly possible, even though Suarez's history suggests otherwise. However, the problem with the rabid pro-Suarez brigade is that they are pigheadedly unwilling to accept any possibility that he *may* have intended to use his hand, and when faced with that accusation, they fall back on the usual 'Suarez is the victim' cobblers.
Having viewed the incident from several angles, it could be argued that it was ball to hand, not hand to ball:
* Suarez's hand comes *down* towards the ball. Am I wrong?
* Why would he move his hand towards the ball in the situation?
* Why didn't he just move his hand *away* from the ball?
There will be the usual pro-Suarez hysterics who defend him no matter what, but given his history, is not highly probable that there was an element of intent? Consider, for example:
* Handball against Ghana in the World Cup. Suarez's reaction:
"The Hand of God now belongs to me. Mine is the real Hand Of God. I made the best save of the tournament. Sometimes in training I play as a goalkeeper so it was worth it"
* Deliberate handball against Southampton a couple of weeks ago, for which he received a yellow card. It came from almost the same position as the Mansfield incident:
* Suarez's comments from last season, when he admitted he would happily use his hand in a Liverpool game if it meant a win for the team:
"The sacrifice I made [against Ghana] was because it was so important for Uruguay to make the semi-finals. If I am obliged to stop a ball in the last minute and we win, then I will repeat the action. Success for Liverpool is more important to me than anything else".
So, let's consider the evidence:
* Suarez deliberately cheats in a World Cup Quarter Final by using his hand.
* Suarez admits in an interview that he'd happily cheat for LFC if it meant a win.
* Suarez tries to score with his hand against Southampton this season.
Despite this persuasive evidence, the Suarez apologists will *still* argue that there's no way Suarez intended to use his hand against Mansfield, and they'll present the usual array of excuses:
* It's the ref's fault for not ruling the goal out.
* It's the linesman's fault for not flagging.
* It wasn't deliberate, it was 'instinctive'
* There was no way Suarez could've avoided touching the ball.
Etc.
Obviously, I don't know for a fact that Suarez intended to handle the ball, but, again, his past history suggests it's definitely possible, and in the absence of fact, the next best thing is persuasive empirical evidence.
Anyone who views the footage objectively will concede that Suarez's hand moved towards the ball. Clearly, he knew he'd handled it into the net, but he said nothing to the referee about it. The Uruguayan even completed his usual goal celebration afterwards (!)
To add insult to injury, Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers did not even have the decency to apologise for the incident after the game, even though he admitted it was 'definitely a handball'. All he could think about was defending Suarez, and arguing that it 'wasn't deliberate'.
The least Rodgers should've done is apologise to Mansfield for the injustice of the goal, and the fact that he didn't even think to do that (arguably) reflects badly on him, and the club.
I'll leave you with this question to consider: If the roles were reversed, and Mansfield won the game via a blatant handball, would Liverpool fans just magnanimously accept it and move on. Would Rodgers just dismiss it?
Hell no. Fans across the globe would be foaming at the mouth over the injustice of it, and the hysterical overreaction to every contentious decision that goes against the club supports this.
NOTE: Disagree by all means, but please do so in a civil manner. Anyone who hurls insults will be banned.
Jaimie Kanwar
it was a comment from JK amongst the after match comments in the post about the team line up.
ReplyDeleteWhy do I find it funny getting banned got 10 likes lol
ReplyDeleteWasn't there a recent article suggesting a certain manager and player should apologise to another player....Hmmmmm maybe you owe Suarez an apology after calling him a cheat and spreading it all across facebook. Jamie, libel lawyers could have a field day
ReplyDeleteMy view is he knew it hit his hand, we all would, did he mean it, who knows, at that speed prob not, was it unfair, yes.
ReplyDeleteHowever, not that im saying it is ok, people only seem to have a go at strikers for this, it happens loads of times every week with defenders, yet somehow isn`t deemed cheating, nor does it hit the back pages. Maybe that is because the striker doing it and scoring changes the game more, which I understand, but to me cheating is cheating all the same, and it happens all over the pitch, and no one ever owns up. It maybe a shame but that is not just football but life. Just like I saw a min ago in a interview, where it was pointed out, that if you parked on a double yellow line, but get no ticket, do you phone up the council and say I owe you £60???
It maybe wrong, but it is not the worst thing ever. Personally I dislike challenges which try to break legs more, as to me that is a bigger crime.
I would like to ask the question, If Liverpool go on to win the FA cup will anyone remember the handball against Mansfield ?
ReplyDeleteAlso, I was always taught to play the whistle,yes it was a handball, I don't think it was intentional (that is my opinion). If Suarez stopped turned and said to the ref I handballed it and the ref said play on it was unintentional we would all be saying (especially you Jamie) what a fool Suarez is for not playing to the whistle.
Also I saw that at the end of the game a Mansfield player swap shirts with Suarez, they couldn't be that upset if their doing that.
Ask Anteater he may know :)
ReplyDeleteGood find cheers.
ReplyDeleteOne of them is Ants... Dont mention Ants....
ReplyDeleteYes, in the comments section. Generally, I believe that it is true, and Suarez's past history proves it (IMO)
ReplyDeleteI would be in massive favour of only allowing Captains to speak to Refs, just like in Rugby.
ReplyDeleteThis stuff happens...quit fooling yourselves...it happens. The ref should have seen it. He should have given Suarez a card. He didn't see it. The linesman, who probably had the best view didn't see it. Everybody else in the world, including me, saw it. Suarez knew he did it or he wouldn't have slammed the ball into the back of the net. He was as incredulous as the rest of us that the goal wasn't disallowed. He was calm enough to let the chips fall where they may. Move on...it's over. The bigger problem is why we let lesser teams out-hustle us to every ball every time. LFC is constantly outworked, loses virtually every 50-50 ball, marks poorly on set pieces, plays passy-cake in its own third waaaaaaaayyy too much and actully emboldens lesser teams to attack more aggressively. We are going nowhere with this philosophy in the long run. I thought Joe Allen was a great passer, but too often he passes back and doesn't press forward with the pass.
ReplyDeleteYes, that's broadly correct. However, I didn't argue that if the ref didn't see a decision, it was okay; I just said that it's all subjective, and who decides if decisions not given by refs are correct or not.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/09/lfc-vs-man-utd-20-year-refereeing.html
Marriot doesn't get to call the game. This stuff happens...get over it.
ReplyDeletejk could you do the front angel but at normal spped not slow motion??
ReplyDeletehis arm is already up obviously, I don't think any human has that fast reaction being that close at that speed.
I think suarez is penalised for being brave and not giving up the chase.
just typical its suarez. but definitely not his fault.
I don't recall the laughing, if so its probably because he cant believe its not been picked up by an official. just shock
True about Fowler but it didn't alter the decision or stop Liverpool scoring as a result.
ReplyDeleteAlso, a minor point but the ball was already over the line when Suarez kicked it into the net.
Ok. I've read and reread the whole thread, trying to put my finger on exactly why so many people accuse you of being anti- Suarez and so uneven in your treatment of him, even though you claim to be even handed.
ReplyDeleteWe've had this thread SO many times. The actual incident is almost irrelevant. People are saying you do not respect their views, you appear to be at a loss to understand why, when you feel you're basing your observations on facts.
I believe it's the way you portray any contrary posts or opinions. They tend to be premptively dismissed as fanatics or blind followers.
Let me explain. In your original article you say: 'the rabid pro-Suarez brigade are pigheadedly unwilling to accept any possibility that he *may* have intended to use his hand'
Soon after: 'There will be the usual pro-Suarez hysterics who defend him no matter what'
Then again:' Despite this persuasive evidence, the Suarez apologists will *still* argue there's no way Suarez intended to use his hand against Mansfield, and they'll present the usual array of excuses'
That's THREE attempts to label people who , having looked at the same evidence you have, and decided to back Suarez ; by that I mean they accept the handball but don't think it intentional as Rabids, Hystericals, and Apologists.
Rabids, Hystericals, and Apologists? you, however, are balanced and objective ? Hmmmm...
You provide evidence, they provide excuses?
You have stated that 'Anyone who views the footage objectively will concede that Suarez' hand moved towards the ball. Well, lots of people, including the Mansfield Manager, the pundits , Graham Poll, etc saw something very different, most now agree that Suarez actually attempted to pull his hand AWAY.
My first reaction when I saw it was disappointment. I admit ,I thought he had done it on purpose. Having seen it again, I changed my mind, and if you have been objective, I find it had to believe that your oft-stated opinion that Suarez was a cheat( not in this article ,but often in others) has clouded your usual objectivity.
* First, I do not claim to be 'even handed' in my response to Suarez. I don't know where you get that from. When it comes to cheating with Suarez, or indeed any player, my response is unambiguous: Zero tolerance.
ReplyDelete* I don't believe anyone has stated on this thread that I 'don't respect their views'. Just because I disagree doesn't mean I don't respect someone else's view; that's ridiculous. I have my opinion, others have theirs. Everyone defends their POV. That's the way it goes with football fans.
* I label groups - not individuals - sometimes, and make no apologiy for doing so. There is a 'rabid pro-Suarez brigade'; There are 'pro Suarez hysterics', and there most definitely are 'Suarez apologists'. The people who take offence at those labels (none of which are personally insulting), do so because the truth hurts.
* If someone calls me an 'anti-Suarez hysteric', I wouldn't take it personally.Several people have indeed called me anti-Suarez on this thread. People always used to label me 'anti-Benitez', but that's fine. It's not an insult, and it doesn't bother me.
* You persist with the notion that I claim to be 'balanced and objective', but you're misinterpreting my approach. I have never claimed to be balance and objective about LFC, only about *certain* issues relating to LFC, and usually when it comes to admitting the truth about something. For example, when something happens on the field that most fans would dismiss/refuse to admit, I have no problem with being objective and unbiased, and admitting it. I am a football fan - of course I'm biased, and I've never claimed to be otherwise.
* I believe Suarez generally is a cheat, yes, and there is plenty of persuasive evidence to back that up. In this situation, I think there's a possibility that there was some intent, but I also accept that it's possible that it wasn't intentional, as I state in the article.
Mansfield manager Paul Cox: "I would like to give Luis Suarez the benefit of the doubt and it was a reaction. Just because it's Suárez, a bigger deal is being made. 99 out of 100 players would do the same. Its FA cup football. If it went in at our end we'd take it. Just because it's Suarez and his reputation a bigger deal is being made"
ReplyDeleteI cant think of a single instance in professional sports except maybe golf where a player has pointed out to the ref that he committed a rules infraction. It's part of the game. Breaks go both ways. To think that Suarez should have stopped the game, admitted what he did and have the goal disallowed is idealistic at best
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, Mansfield manager said what he said having hand ball in mind.
ReplyDeleteWhat if it happened in the center of the field, do you go and to the ref and say: "Hey, I accidentally touched the ball.
Also, why don't you make an article about Caragher's handball in our box and call Carra a cheat because he let the play continue ??
This is clearly referees mistake yet people make it out to be Suarez's fault .
Against Ghana he was punished for what he did, no fault of his Gyan couldn't convert a penalty. Here referees fucked up.
Why don't you make an article about Caragher's handball in our box and call Carra a cheat because he let the play continue ??
ReplyDeleteThis is clearly referees mistake yet people make it out to be Suarez's fault .
Against Ghana he was punished for what he did, no fault of his Gyan couldn't convert a penalty. Here referee made a mistake .
A bigger deal is being made out of it by whom, exactly? That is such a myth. It was a blatant handball - obviously, it is newsworthy, and the press will report on it. The idea that Suarez is getting extra demonisation is total nonsense, peddled by people trying to push the hysterical 'Suarez is a victim' cobblers.
ReplyDeleteOther players who've done similar things got barracked too. Crouch got slammed in the media for his handball in September; Thierry Henry also got it in the neck. It's normal, and people like you who perpetuate the myth that Suarez is somehow treated differently are massively irresponsible.
Not outright defending Suarez here but theres a video out there with several replays and I watched it as many times as I could and I am always objective about LFC always have been and always will be. For me it looked like ball to hand. His hand wasn't that far stretched from his body but it's a 50/50 and it could have gone the other way. Just like the Shelvey/Evans tackle V Man United.
ReplyDeleteHandling the ball as an outfield player is deemed as illegal and is a foul. Because it was ball to hand Suarez didn't gain an unfair advantage but he gained the benefit of the doubt.
Against Soton he handled the ball in the box and was given a yellow. Against Ghana his keeper like save produced a red. IMO it's not 'cheating' if you have seen the repercussions for your illegal actions. Against Ghana his illegal save initially gave him an advantage by stopping a goal however the advantage was turned around when Suarez saw red and a penalty was given.
Although it is the official's job to spot any cheating/technical fouls, it is plainly bad sportsmanship to not admit them. Even worse for people to lay any more than a small amount of culpability on the officials. Consider for example Snooker or Cricket even, where one is expected to own up to one's mistakes, if one feels he has fouled a ball or believe he has 'snicked' and therefore walk.
ReplyDeleteOf course this does not always happen either, but the spirit of fair play seems to be held in higher esteem there. It is not too uncommon to see a snooker player own up to a foul or a cricketer walk immediately indicating he knows the game is up. Ths is surely better than basically saying as you are gilstrap, that it is ok to cheat and the cheater cannot take much responsibility as long as he gets away with it because it was unnoticed by the officials.
Poor, poor attitude....
Of course I am a realist and understand that football is a hugely expensive business these days where these things can mean the difference between getting nothing and millions of pounds. Footballers along with managers are highly unlikely to admit to their errors.
However it isn't really helpful to heap the burden of blame onto the officials and demand they go on tv to apologise, like some lunatic extremist group pointing a gun at captors from behind the camera forcng them to confess the error of their ways.......
If you must pressure anyone, pressure the governing body to stamp down on players cheating, and improve aids for the officials to make the correct decision.
I'm not sure I understand the point of the article. Are we all expected to vilify Suarez and brand him a "cheat" or instead be labelled as "apologists"? Obviously he handled the ball, everyone knew that, the players knew it, Suarez knew it, even the refs knew it. The refs then made a call on the play and I suppose in the eyes of many people they got it wrong. But this happens all the time and I'm not sure I understand why it reflects in any way on Suarez. He made contact with his arm and then guided the ball into the net. Countless footballers have done something similar. Sometimes it is called a handball, sometimes it's let go. Henry did something very similar in a world cup qualifier that bumped Ireland out of the competition. Lots of people got very upset, there even some suggestions that FIFA should force another replay but nothing ever actually happened.
ReplyDeleteIt's not Suarez's job to tell the refs anything. He obviously knew he'd handled the ball but he's not the guy with the whistle in his mouth. It would be insane to suggest that every time a player handles the ball he should own up and tell the ref. You could equally suggest that players should own up when they commit ANY foul. It's just not going to happen and that's why you have actual referees with rule books and whistles. Players "get away" with any number of infringements during a game and they don't stop the game and go back to the ref to help the opposition case. Regardless, refs almost never change their mind after a decision is made so what good would it do? That's not how the game works.
There is a case to be made that it's ball to hand, a perfectly reasonable one. Suarez even makes a motion that has his arm swinging behind his back. My personal view is that he actually tries to move his hand away from the ball but his natural motion makes it impossible. That's why the word "deliberate" is used in the rule. It's a hopeless task for a ref unless he's a mind reader but it's all they'be got to go on. In this instance it seems clear enough that the referees as a whole have seen the handball but deemed it not deliberate. You can call that a bad decision if you like but it's a rule that is unavoidably doomed to controversy.
It sounds a bit like what you're asking Suarez to do is: in the heat of the moment reflect on what just happened, decide that he gained an unfair advantage, put aside his competitive nature, ignore the ruling of the referee, go directly to the referee and plead with him to disallow a goal. It's an interesting idea but you have to ask yourself when this EVER happened before. That Suarez is ultra-competitive and has a history of controversial action really has no bearing on the situation. It's simply an absurd standard to judge him by. Provide us with one, just one example of a competitive footballer ever admitting to a handball and persuading a ref to disallow a goal and maybe it would be more interesting. Otherwise you're just being absurd.
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ReplyDeleteWhat if this would have been the other way round? Would you have written this kind of an article, if the ball had hit the defender's hand and it wouldn' have been a pen? Would everybody shout at the defender in question and demand that he should have told the referee it was a handball and Liverpool deserves a pen?
ReplyDeleteIt's interesting that most the ex footballers and people still playing the game including the Mansfield manager are not hanging Suarez out to dry but all the media are going O.T.T about this. It was the ref who made the mistake by not seeing it. You have to play to the whistle and thats what Suarez did even then in his body actions you could see that his was expecting the goal to be disallowed. For me the bitter taste that I got from this game was the commentator Jon champion's xenophobic blast calling him a cheat seconds after the incident based on the 2010 world cup which was a totally different incident. You could go deep into the Ghana game and say he had a choice, to handle the ball off the line or not, there is not rule saying that you cant handball it just have have to face the consequences of your actions if you do. Breaking the rule is still using the rule: thats what creative people/players do especially if your playing in the biggest game of your life.
ReplyDeletefinally luck is starting to even itself. For all the mistakes refs have against us this season, we are now enjoying the 'good fortune' decisions we deserved. Remember the Jonjo red card, Suarez offside Everton (2 points lost), multiple penalty foul claims on Suarez, etc? This handball is the just start of decisions going for us after horrific decisions against us. Stop whining abt what's right or wrong, owning or not owning up and be hypocritically justified about stuff and the universe, karma will even things up for us, and hell I'm enjoying every headlines that's coming. YNWA.
ReplyDeleteYou also sicken me with your Suarez hating articles!
ReplyDeleteGod,Jamie give it a break,you really dislike Suarez dont you? Thank god you dont have a say who we hire and fire,get some objectivity,have you ever played footie? That is quite clearly a handball but the intention is not so plain to see even after your forensic dissection,he is a liverpool player have a go at the Mancs or someone else for a change.
ReplyDeleteimo its not deliberate suarez looks a bit embarresed by it but the ref calls the shots,also jaimie ,i really do think you should put this suarez thing to bed now,hes improved his reputation this season and some people will use this to soil his name,its no wonder regular posters end up getting bans over this issue
ReplyDeleteWhen Bale dived, some people calls him a "cheat", more like a murmured complain. But when Suarez commits any act deemed a cheat, the WHOLE WORLD calls him a "CHEAT", yes, in capital letters loud and clear. And they all want to send him to the guillotine. Please give Suarez a break.
ReplyDeleteFootball is now played at a very fast pace and it is not surprising that the ref missed it and there is no way Suarez could have avoided it. Even as I saw the incident unfolding before my eyes, I initially thought it was a legitimate goal until I saw the replays. And I noticed Suarez himself hesitated for a moment before he somewhat celebrated.
With the luxury of replays, everyone quickly passed judgement that he is a cheat. Come on people, please be fair to Suarez. FIFA should take the blame for such recurring incidents. FIFA's reluctance to embrace video technology fully is the cause of such injustices and this is due to their stubbornness and archaic thinking.
While we are on the issue of handball, I can never understand FIFA's stand to award a handball offense based on whether it is intentional or unintentional. If the ball touches the hand, it is a handball be it intentional or not. It is as simple and straight forward as that. If I were to run through a red light, can I plead with the policeman not to issue a summon because it was unintentional???
All in all, yes, we should lay off Suarez in this incident. Give the guy a break.
If you can react to sudden ricochet in split second then you're outta this world so a BIG TQ for digging up all the fuss to clear suarez's name JK @ suarez stalker :)
ReplyDeleteSo today Jamie K has uncovered two shocking facts about the world of football. Fact one, winners will do anything to win. Fact two, football supporters are hypocrites when it comes to one set of rules for the players of their club and another for those of other clubs. Tomorrow stay tuned for more shocking scoops like: "Players are paid far too much money for kicking a ball" and "transfer fees are ridiculous, can any one person be worth 80 million pounds?". Good for you mate, you're not a hypocrite. Me? I'll take the win thank you very much and if Rooney does the same next week, I'll call him a cheat and Fergie a liar for saying he wouldn't be able to play. Ah and also, loving the Ezekiel Fryers stunt Spurs pulled off. Anything that gets on that red faced whisky nose's nerves will be welcomed with open arms.
ReplyDeleteAlan Hansen sums it all up pretty well in my opinion
ReplyDelete"People like football to be black and white on these issues, encouraging a sense of ethics within the game. It is idealistic but has no basis in reality.
Take that argument to the logical conclusion and you’d never need a referee or linesman.
Every time a foul is not given, a defender can ask to stop the play and inform the opponent he just mistimed a tackle."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9784399/Liverpool-striker-Luis-Suarez-cannot-be-blamed-for-carrying-out-his-job-and-acting-like-any-other-player.html
Jamie at the end of the day your ideal world has no place in reality.
Just checked, unfortunately they neither offer it on Amazon, ebay or any online DVD rental store. Have to watch "Leningrad Cowboys Go America" again then :-)
ReplyDeleteI dont believe whole hand to the ball ball to the hand rule to valid. intentional handball or unintentional is a handball. and the goal shouldve been withdrawn. it happened so fast that it propably was instinctive reaction from suarez. nor does it rule out that he ment to do it.
ReplyDeletethen again i argued yesterday that it is not up to players to start calling their own fouls.
both linesman and ref shouldve seen it. both should be reviewed if they are suitable standards for refereeing premier league or FA cup. horrible mistake from their part.
we were so bad yesterday it made me nauseous, Mansfield were truly robbed and it makes me feel bad.
Suarez is prone to pull a stunt like that every once in a while, though it doesnt take inch off the ability he has.
My own view about fouling seems to differ a lot from what ive seen here, Diving and handballing areseen as a monstrous act. When defender makes a late challenge knowing he cant get a ball, but can stop goalscoring chance, he must know that every misplaced tackle poses a risk of injuring the other player. he takes a gamble between the health and possible career of the other player to gain advantage to his team.
that is far worse foul if you ask me.
Im not saying what luis did if it was intentional isnt wrong. but i concider there being many worse fouls in football than handball. too bad it had such a dramatic effect on result yesterday.
we deserved to lose.
i think it was on a comment on yesterdays article when the handball was fresh and you propably were typing keys off your keyboard mate. i recall reading that last night. cant be 100% on that though. i remember i thought it was a bit harsh
ReplyDeleteCome on Jamie, be balanced. Of course its newsworthy but the "bigger deal" is not a myth.The media reaction is clearly different and very evident!! Have you not seen the back pages of the tabloids, listened to the radio etc etc?? No one else has had a reaction like this, Henry's ran it close but his decided who went through to the world cup finals.
ReplyDeleteThere was also a difference as the Suarez incident appears accidental ( the ball is deflected into him from close range) whereas the Henry and Crouch incidents where very clear cut.
Chutzpah, me? Just you wait, my friend, I'll give you what for!
ReplyDeletei find myself agreeing a lot with you mate. just wrote something similar before scrolling the previous comments. biggest cheat in world of football in my book is Pepe from real madrid, who week in week out ries to inflict as much pain as possible to opposition players
ReplyDeleteAt least you liked my comment :-)
ReplyDeletei find myself agreeing with you very often mate. just wrote something similar before scrolling trough past comments. Biggest cheat in world of football in my book is Pepe from RM, he just tries to inflict injury on opposite players week in week out
ReplyDeleteYou guys want me to starve to death? Give me some @nts now.
ReplyDeleteeven in reverse, its still the referee fault!
ReplyDeleteThe powers that be. Don't get me started on them. Didn't Blatter just condemn Boateng for leaving the pitch after being racialistic insulted. We can't expect anything from FIFA or UEFA on any pressing matter.
ReplyDeleteit hit his hand it went in the ref gave the goal,he did not celerbrate because he knew it hit his hand,imo accident,
ReplyDeletejaimie you are saying it was deliberate imo not,so it did not spoil the game for me, what spoilt it for me was the tikka takka shite ,i watched barca later and for rodgers to even try and compare his crap with theres is beyond contempt utter disgrace,least the suarez thing takes the heat off allen crap again saying that the whole team were,at least you have got rid of that daft saying 100%behind rodgers ,i was thinking about getting you sanctioned for your own safety;-)
ReplyDeletejaimie how the hell can you ban orme,and let 15 other people of with the same offence,you put contentous posts up some people are bound to react strongley or in a what they see as a comical way
ReplyDeleteOrme 'liked' a comment that slagged off the site in a derogatory way. That means he agrees with it. The other 'likes' came after the ban.
ReplyDeletePeople can react as strongly as they like. Look at the responses on this thread - dozens of people reacting strongly, no? Those who don't react in a civil manner have posts deleted/get banned. That's the way it is, and wil continue to be.
ReplyDeletehi jamie,can u answer a question that has me perplexed in relation to "cheating"...how does a defender cheat?how does a striker cheat?1 pulls,drags,blocks runs etc...the other dives at slightest touch or feigns contact to go down...both cheat but only the strikers get the abuse .why is that.can u honestly say in the whole 90 mins yesterday that a defender didnt in any way impede a run or hold a player during a corner or free kick?could any of those incidents led to a goal?we"l never know but it goes on and on in every game yet the media view it completely differently.defenders holding in the box at corners is seen as good defending!!!wtf...if a defenders only way of cheating is holding,blocking runs then the same goes for strikers as their only way of cheating is to dive etc.
ReplyDeleteAndy Gray - Suarez is not a cheat, ESPN commentator was wrong to call him a cheat, it's really, really bad stuff that's in the papers today about Suarez, cannot believe the column inches dedicated to him.
ReplyDeleteWith respect, I've answered this question countless times, and I don't have the energy to answer it again. It's all about prioritising, and impact on the game/reputation of the game.
ReplyDeleteSuch exaggeration, and you are now part of the hyperbole surrounding the press's apparent mistreatment of Suarez. It's less than 24 hours after the game; what do you expect? It's a newsworthy issue, and the press are going to analyse it.
ReplyDeleteLots of news providers are covering all aspects of the issue, including Rodgers' comments about Suarez not under any obligation to own up; Cox's pro Suarez comments; Hansen, Poll and Barnes defending Suarez etc.
Very few news outlets have outright condemned Suarez, yet you and others try and make out that he's being attacked by the media, which is not true in the slightest.
so you banned him for liking a coment,then after that 14 other people liked the comment knowing the consequences of there actions but you let them off ,imo not fair they were as bad if not worse,also alan hansen makes a valid point today as you should know ,due to your footballing carear the first thing kids are taught is play to the whistle,and that works both ways ,finally when are you naming me the winner ;-)
ReplyDeleteyour right why let the truth get in the way of a good story the papers will have a field day
ReplyDeleteYou wouldn't have written this article if the goal had been disallowed and Suarez had been booked and who's job is that? The Ref. You know it's the refs fault and that if anybody 'ruined' the game for you it was him NOT Luis. I cannot fathom why you continue with attacks on Suarez, i'm sure no United fan would write articles about Van Persie's diving or Ronaldo's when he was at the club. You support your own, not vilify them.
ReplyDeleteNo, you have the wrong end of the stick. The other people liked the ban notice, not the comment, which was no longer live by then. Only orme liked the actual negative comment.
ReplyDeleteNot everyone has to have the same opinion as you, or the group. I have my own view; if you can't handle it then broaden your horizons. You and others want to fit every single fan into the same template, and when they refuse, you go on the offensive. Get over it.
ReplyDeleteCome on please look at the back page headlines and without bias tell me that this reaction would be the same for anyone else? It really is crazy. Andy Gray has no bias to back Suarez if anything it would be the opposite. He is just very well placed in his occupation to see how the media have reacted.
ReplyDeleteThere are many examples, but to quote the Mirror;
"Suarez had only been on the pitch for three minutes when he blatantly thrust out his right arm to control a block by home keeper Alan Marriott, and turn it into the net".
We could say the same to you, Jay. But you'd simply take up your site and go home sulking........
ReplyDeleteAt least you aren't "100% behind BR" any more.....
ReplyDeleteok ? if the ball had hit one of his own players on the arm in that inccident would the ref have given a pen ,no because it would have been accedentle imo so he would have played to the whistle and tried to clear it i honestly think suarez wish it had not happened he looked very subjeud after that
ReplyDeleteSuarez is running when the ball hits him, when you run your arms move. If you look closely youll see that his hand moving forward is part of hsi running motion and youll also see that he very quickly tries to move his hand back. Its quite obvious and i'm sure someone has posted about this already
ReplyDeleteI think that a mountain has been made out of a molehill because of peoples prior opinion of Suarez-unfortunately he's just gotta keep on playing like he is and feeding off the negetivity. When Crouchy scored with his hand earlier this season nobody had this much to say about it, even after he admitted it after the match....Why weren't people calling him a cheat and a liar??
ReplyDeleteAs for admitting the incident to the ref-once again I question the parameters in which people think of things as acceptable. Many a goal has been scored by someone who is clearly offside-I never hear anyone calling for the player to make their position clear to the ref!
I think if we were to ask Rafa, his reply would be "Luis Suarez is a great player but he is a cheat" ................. FACT !!!!
ReplyDeleteIt didn't sicken me, Brendan Rodgers, John Barnes or the Mansfield manager.
ReplyDeleteDo you know for a fact that he deliberately handled the ball? It's ok, I'll answer that for you: NO, you don't, you can't and nobody else can.
I can't understand your beef with Suarez, Jaimie, if we didn't have him, we'd be in the bottom 3: then who would you gripe at?
He's one of the most skillful players the Premier League has ever seen. His goal against Newcastle was sublime and up there with the greatest goals ever scored in the league but did you write an article about it and add a video? If you did, I apologise but I certainly didn't see it.
Being part of the witch hunt against Suarez isn't going to force him out of the club; nothing will. All it is doing is making you look like a hater.
And why no article about our new £12 million striker scoring 7 minutes into his debut, his link up play with Shelvey and a general assessment of his 55 minutes on the pitch which saw him pick up the MOM award?
Ok, enough is enough ! I am an Evertonian, I first stumbled onto this site last season via the 'newsnow' feeds. I must admit that I regularly visit the site for ONE reason only, that quite simply is to marvel at the one sided bias and dislike towards LS by the editor. At first I found it quite funny (as an Evertonian would) but the more times I read JK's comments the more I am perplexed !
ReplyDeleteIf LS played for us I think EVERY blue would embrace his God given talent, regardless of his obvious issues. There is no doubt that he has flouted the law on several occassions but I don't think there are many players who don't ? It winds me up that such a world class player is plying his trade for my bitter rivals but I can't help but marvel at his amazing ability. He is undoubtedly up there with the very best, those few players who you would willingly pay good money to watch !
Regardless of JK's stance on cheating I cannot get my head around how a supporter of the team he graces EVERY week can be so spiteful towards him ?? Surely you would be better off eulogising about the man while you have still got him, because I along with every other non LFC fan hopes he's playing for Madrid or Barcalona next season ! (sorry).
This is Graham Poll's take on it. For those of you who may not know who he is, he's an ex professional referee.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2258138/Luis-Suarez-handball-Mansfield--dont-blame--Graham-Polls-verdict.html
get over it the Officials were blind as a bat ......stupid officials not spotting the handball not giving us at least 4 penalties this season ..ohhhh...overdose
ReplyDeleteAgain 'JK' you refer to OUR Suarez as a cheat because he handled the ball against Ghana. You didn't answer then and you sure cant answer now.....
ReplyDeleteYou so predictable that I was smart enough to save this from the last you made such a claim...
Cut&pasted for you Jamie!
So you consider a deliberate handball to be a worse offence than deliberately kicking someone to stop them gaining an advantage?
So your ok with assault but draw the line on injuring a man made leather ball using your hand/arm?
There seems to be a extreme disparity in the way you view level of FOULS.
Or is it only where Suarez is concerned?
Regarding prioritising fouls...
How many goals have been prevented and gained by shirt pulling from corners/free kicks etc ? Plenty!
And how many go unpunished because its done on a SLY in a dishonest manner? Hmmm plenty!?
By your own definition It's cheating and is ruining the game.
How many players have been injured or have retired from tackles designed to stop the player rather than get ball?
Deliberate Handball in goal scoring opportunities are rare comparatively and hardly go unpunished, as compared to shirt pulling which happens 90 times a game on ave ;)
So if you want prioritise then deliberate hand ball comes way down the pecking order where 'CHEATING' is concerned.
Jamie No man I know slags his wife off to the world unless she is A slag and even then they are unlikely to...
Specially when she cooks, cleans and runs around trying to make you happy.
If you truly love Liverpool you won't slag of Suarez while he's sleeping in our bed :)
You do love Liverpool right?
Havent been on this forum in ages!! But my god 'Chirag Vyas' name always stands out for being a balloon!
ReplyDeleteDont give this joker the time of day. hes site is trash and he makes a living off other peoples passion for the club!!
ReplyDeleteTo further what you are saying, the moment the ball hit his hand until after he put the ball in the net, it was visible that he was almost hoping for the ref to pull it up. I love how Chris Waddle on the ESPN coverage said that his celebration, the kissing of the inside of his wrist is proof that he intentionally handballed it, the celebration he used is the same he uses everytime he scores, a celebration he has previously explained is because his daughter's name is tattooed on his wrist, so he kisses the tattoo, just like he kisses his ring finger for his wife.
ReplyDeleteIt's interesting to know that Graham Poll, who is a widely respected referee, has said that it was an accidental handball and that had the ref seen it, he would have awarded a freekick for the reason that it was accidental but ended in a fortuitous manner, not because it was deliberate.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair though, had Barca had played on that terrible pitch, they would have struggled. Interesting how no one has mentioned Mansfield training on the pitch before the match to chop up the pitch so they could get an unfair advantage, that is also cheating.
ReplyDeleteWould like to point out that the state of the pitch, which was dreadful, was down to Mansfield training on the pitch to intentionally chop it up, in doing so, giving them an unfair advantage. That to me is the bigger issue of cheating than Suarez's intentional or unintentional handball, the handball is up for debate, the pitch is not.
ReplyDeleteone rule for one
ReplyDeletewaddle should stick to what he dose best ,singing crap duets;-)
ReplyDeleteWas my last post not shown a) because I said I was an Evertonian or b) because I critisized you Jamie ?
ReplyDeleteYour post is live, minus the inaccurate interpretation of my views on Suarez. Everton fans are always welcome here, along with fans of any other team.
ReplyDeleteJaime make your mind up, will you?, one minute you say that, you 'accept that there may *not* have been any intent....next you say ' It was blatant'.....whch one is it going to be?.
ReplyDeleteThere's no disparity there. If you misunderstand the meaning of the word 'blatant' then that's down to you.
ReplyDeletewhy even give this air time its a complete non story. however you cant help but have a dig at suarez who you openly say should be sold.
ReplyDeleteor Reina, JK cant stand him either.
ReplyDeleteMaybe if he stopped handballing, stamping on people, making racist remarks, cheating, diving etc there would be nothing for people to attack him over.. or am I wrong? He's been doing that all season.
ReplyDeleteYou can back him all you like but it doesn't matter how good he is, he is a cheat and without doubt the worst behaved and least sporting person in english football..
He's a great footballer but with absolutely no class at all.
That you lot have to defend him every week says everything everyone else already knows about him. Its not a which hunt, people just say what's happened.. It was hand ball and you did win unjustly, and he's done it before.
Ref said he saw it and decided it wasn't deliberate and therefore not a foul. That is pretty much the end of the debate.
ReplyDeleteluis is always grinning the reason being he cant get those teeth in his mouth!
ReplyDeletelets hope luis can hand us a forth place spot and champs league place
ReplyDeleteyeah thats it, it was a bit foggy in my mind lol.
ReplyDeleteLet's be realistic now guys. Any one of us would do the same if we had a split second to react and it meant a win for our club/country. Anyone who disagrees is a liar. Obviously. And the one against Mansfield wasn't intentional. AND he didn't laugh after any of them. Come on, get off his back. He seems like a nice guy.
ReplyDeleteCome on Jaimie, let's not edit things out when it makes you look bad.
ReplyDeleteWhat about all the decisions that have gone against us this season and how many points it's cost us????? We could have been in the top 4 if those decisions were made correctly.We've been on the wrong end of decisions all season and no one's apologised to us then why should we apologise to someone else???
ReplyDeleteMaybe its you that cant handle opinions differing from your own. You have unnecessarily blown this whole thing out of proportion which IMO is becoming a norm here!
ReplyDeleteHave you sat down to count how many wins in football have been deserved? You make football sound like one of these robotic football manager things! It deserves its fair share of controversy, disappointments. These happen daily and not selectively but can happen to anyone on a bad day. Sometimes we need be mature
ReplyDeletejamrag at it again do 1 u manc lovin bell end
ReplyDeleteDiego Maradona in the world cup against England said that it was the hand of god.....How many times due to referees Liverpool have been denied victories...How many times due to referees Man.Utd have win matches....Whether Suarez deliberately or not put a hand ball....As usual only victory is the main concern....If any one want to condemn Louis for this handball then we have to replay the match Argentina against England as well.....Louis will never walk alone.......
ReplyDelete"In the absence of fact" there is no next best thing... All supposition. Marriott and the ESPN commentator are the only 2 people from the football community that have been vocal about it being deliberate, the rest is journalists happy to have a story better than "Suarez scores winner".
ReplyDeleteMaybe it was intentional, didn't look it to me, he even tries to move his hand behind him just as the ball strikes his hand. The point being, just about everyone from the football community who has expressed an opinion has suggested it wasn't intentional. Gordon Strachan put it brilliantly in the analysis right after the game.
oh what did you say.
ReplyDeleteJK dont like it
there is a surprise
I totally agrree with your comments. The ball was controlled with the hand which led to the goal. This should have resulted in the "goal" being disallowed & the player being shown either a yellow or even a straight red for gaining an unfair advantage. Had it been a handball by a Mansfield player, surely a penalty would have been awarded. In view of the manner in which the "goal" was scored & given that it was the "game of the season" for Mansfield, the lack of sportsmanship defies belief! The disparity in the wealth of the two clubs & their respective places in the football league is clear for all to see, along with the lack of honesty & integrity shown by Liverpool FC
ReplyDeleteand takin shite penalties .pizza hut nobha2d
ReplyDeletefunny thing is mike jones was the ref that day and 4th offical yesterday .every time i see himon the telly there is always a major cockup comin up
ReplyDeletesince the racist incident by Suarez, and his defense by coach and fans, I had begun to lose respect for the Liverpool marquis. This most recent obvious handball incident places both Suarez and his coach in even lower esteem. There is no honor in football anymore. The fix was in. 4 handballs by Liverpool. Why would the FA want puny (financially) Mansfield to defeat one of the big boys. Less money in a 10,000 seat stadium versus big boys against big boys before fanatical adorers in the tens of thousands. Fixed. No class and no ethics. Weeks ago an Italian player admitted to a hand ball. Ovations. My hero . Not the cheat that is the diving, immoral Suarez! Roman. Soccer nut from Boston, MA
ReplyDeleteThanks, quite a few points cleared up by that post.
ReplyDeleteHowever, missing out behaviour which argues against your case for Suarez to be considered a serial cheat for instance, when he stayed on his feet for his 1st goal against Sunderland , having been blatantly fouled, but bringing up the handball against Ghana , which argues for it, is disingenuous
Both are relevant, you seem only to mention one when arguing your point
I remind you that you said you presented both sides...
Think I understand you better now though. Still don't agree re Suarez...
Jamie lets get one thing straight, the press are not analysing it at all, since when has the media actually analysed anything Suarez has done before passing any judgement on him. If they did analyse it and examine what actually happened and listened to all the professionals and managers views the headlines would read rather differently. they simply do not have the time to analyse it because of deadlines and competition with other media outlets to get the news out fastest.
ReplyDeletelets say Suarez came out and said it was hand ball but I did not mean it,,would you believe him, probably not because you already think he is guilty of an offence and is therefore a cheat, all the Suarez haters would probably go along the same lines, so is it not obvious and plausible that the folks who like and support Suarez would back him and believe him.What I'm trying to say is no matter what he does or does not do the die is cast and you and people like you will never change your minds or view no matter what, and neither will his supporters.
Also, If the linesman said he saw the handball and decided it was not intentional, how can anyone accuse Suarez for anything wrong?
ReplyDeleteWhat if it was the player who made an assist make unintentionally touched the ball and it helped him to make that assist? Or a player who passed him the ball?
There would be no media headlines, maybe a note or 2 in more detailed match reports.
yes but diamond lights common worst song ever
ReplyDeleteIts really hard to tell whether or not he did it on purpose but I think its unlikely considering the speed all of this happened at. Suarez's arm end up behind his body after contact which seems to indicate it hit him rather than him pushing his arm towards the ball which probably would have resulted in his arm ending up infront of his bother rather then flung behind as shown in the gif. The rules of the game also state the handball has to be deliberate right? So if the ref's either missed the incident or deemed it not to be deliberate how on earth it that Suarez's fault. I dont understand why he is coping so much flac for this. Thankfully there are people with enough sense to stand up for him even players and managers outside of Liverpool. Fowler has also come out to support him.
ReplyDeleteHave you actually been watching Suarez play at all this season? He hasnt dived or cheated or stamped or made any comments lately. He had a rocky start to his prem career no one can deny that and he does have a negative track record with diving and a few other incidents but everyone who actually watches him play can see he is trying to clean up his game. How did Liverpool win unjustly exactly? The 4th official said they saw it and it was definitely a handball yet the goal was not ruled out? Why because it wasnt a deliberate handball thus as per the rules of the game is not deemed an offense so the goal, however fortunate, was legitimate. His reputations definitely precedes him and that is his own fault no doubt but this is ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteexcuses as usual, everyone saw this, its only different perceptions speaking.
ReplyDeleteSo the fact that Paul Cox had watched the replay in the dressing room prior to being interviewed is irrelevant? As usual your bias is astounding you say that you present both viewpoints in your article yet use terms such as "rabid pro Suarez brigade" to describe those that don't agree with your view, whilst grudgingly admitting there may have been the slightest possibility it was accidental.
ReplyDelete"Suarez's past history proves it" yet another example, merely sticking IMO in brackets is worthless nothing is proven it is merely your opinion
ReplyDeletethe Daily Mail is little more than a glorified tabloid these days
ReplyDeleteno m8 fuckin z cars
ReplyDeleteIn your opinion which let's be honest is a million miles away from being objective.
ReplyDeleteand of course it's left to you to decide the order in which these incidents should be prioritized. Ever thought of being a standup comic?
ReplyDeleteyou cite Marriott's perception as being more persuasive as an eyewitness account in a court of law, this is in fact grossly inaccurate, it's questionable given the clear impartiality of said witness that his testimony would carry much weight at all. May I suggest (however futilely) that you get your facts right before using terminology such as "in a court of law"
ReplyDelete*EDIT* lack of impartiality
ReplyDeleteThat's good to know I wasn't aware that there was a Marquis of Liverpool LOL
ReplyDeletebecause that would be like arguing with yourself LMAO
ReplyDeletePerhaps you should try and understand what I actually said instead first, eh? I didn't state anything as a fact in that comment. My point is, in a jury trial, the jury will - in all probability - attribute more weight to an eyewitness who was inches away from an incident, than to someone who observed in from 30 feet away. This is just basic common sense.
ReplyDeleteWhen forming my opinion, yes. When did I say it's my job to decide for everybody? That's right, I didn't. You are sailing dangerously close to sniping territory. Clearly, you are one of these posters who posts snide one-liners like the above because you don't really like this site. Contribute to the discussion without sniping, or your comments won't stay live.
ReplyDeleteThe author of this article is definitely someone who has never actually played football in his life....
ReplyDeleteEven if I were to accept your somewhat spurious answer to this (given the credence that you have given to Marriots comments, dare I say it because they suit your agenda), that aside you still neglect the issue that Paul Cox had seen the incident on a replay prior to his comments on ESPN surely negating your somewhat skewed argument.
ReplyDeletemaybe if you were capable of being disingenuous you might come up with a reasoned answer. But then most of your spin smacks of 1930's Germany dare i say Herr Goebbels as 99.9 prozent of your posters would no doubt agree. With your self styled spin and blatant (unlike you I know the definition) you pompous arse. Unlike you who has at best a rudimentary grasp of the English language. And I therefore challenge you to a face to face debate in order to take you apart you supercilious twonk. You clearly have an overexagerated opinion of your intellect as most who read your posts would testify " in a court of law" LMAO more than happy to pick up the tab for the joy of putting you firmly in your place
ReplyDeleteDefine lately.
ReplyDeleteLast game - Handball, that's pretty recent. should he of said anything? probably but few would.. Has he cheated Mansfield of victory? Yes. Therefore he's a cheat.
He's acumulated enough offenses against him that he has ensured universal dislike as long as he is here. There are few teams that havn't been cheated by him in some way and a couple of games without incident doesn't make up for that.
Its strange the amount of defence he gets from Liverpool fans because if they just acknowledged what he did, he may actually concentrate on playing instead of tactically falling over or trying to discretely break opposition players.
Also strange how Liverpool fans think there is a whichhunt against him when its just pointing things out that he does wrong.. If he didn't do them, it wouldn't happen. The dives, and fouls are not ficticious.
Mostly I am confused though as to why LFC fans think people don't like him because of his talent.. that is so misguided its unreal. They don't like him because he is a horrible cheating git.
I have to agree with your write up. It looks pretty blatant to me, clearly hits the hand, as to whether its deliberate.. personaly I think it is, his arm clearly goes to it,
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vREc_hwVKtk
can't believe how poor the ref and linesman are here to be honest.
Standard hive mind mentallity of jumping to the defence of this guy regardless of his actionas.. Do you lot make up defences for him on the fly or prepare them before the game?
He's a cheat, end of. If a United player does the exact same thing at the weekend, you lot will be calling for his expulsion from the game. Hypocrites.
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