Dutch legend Edgar Davids has praised Roy Hodgson's decision to hand the England captaincy to Steven Gerrard, and he's called on the England manager to properly utilise the midfielder's strengths during Euro 2012.
Speaking to ESPN yesterday, Davids conceded that Gerrard 'has not always played as well for his country as for his club', but predicted that the Liverpool captain would do a 'great' job for England at Euro 2012:
"I think Gerrard is amazing. I think you have to play to his strengths and build the whole team around him.
"He can drive the England team like no other player. Gerrard is passionate and he leads from the front. At times he has lifted Liverpool to great wins almost single-handedly.
"People say he can't play with Frank Lampard but that's nonsense. Great players will always be able to play with other great players".
Clearly, it's not 'nonsense' that Gerrard can't play effectively with Lampard - it's a fact, which has been proven time and time again over the last ten years, and I doubt that the appointment of Hodgson is suddenly going to make that partnership flourish.
Successive England managers - including Fabio Capello, a man of peerless experience - have decided against making Gerrard permanent England captain, and there are obviously reasons for that, and whether he is the right man now will depend on a number of issues:
* Gerrard captained England during the failed Euro 2008 qualifying campaign, and when it came to the crunch, he could not inspire the team to qualification. Will he be able to change that this time out?
* Man United-Liverpool-Chelsea acrimony needs to be considered; would Gerrard command the respect of England's United/Chelsea players?
* Gerrard is increasingly injury prone; will he even be able to play every game at the tournament?
* Gerrard is not the most vocal of people on the pitch, and he's admitted this himself.
* The John Terry factor needs to be considered: will Gerrard have the confidence and character to take charge of the team with Terry in the same squad? Whatever people think about the Chelsea captain, he is a born leader, and when the chips are down, he's still going to be vocal, which could undermine Gerrard.
Leading by example is great, but a lot more than just that is needed to be a successful captain, especially at a major international tournament.
Jaimie Kanwar
Speaking to ESPN yesterday, Davids conceded that Gerrard 'has not always played as well for his country as for his club', but predicted that the Liverpool captain would do a 'great' job for England at Euro 2012:
"I think Gerrard is amazing. I think you have to play to his strengths and build the whole team around him.
"He can drive the England team like no other player. Gerrard is passionate and he leads from the front. At times he has lifted Liverpool to great wins almost single-handedly.
"People say he can't play with Frank Lampard but that's nonsense. Great players will always be able to play with other great players".
Clearly, it's not 'nonsense' that Gerrard can't play effectively with Lampard - it's a fact, which has been proven time and time again over the last ten years, and I doubt that the appointment of Hodgson is suddenly going to make that partnership flourish.
Successive England managers - including Fabio Capello, a man of peerless experience - have decided against making Gerrard permanent England captain, and there are obviously reasons for that, and whether he is the right man now will depend on a number of issues:
* Gerrard captained England during the failed Euro 2008 qualifying campaign, and when it came to the crunch, he could not inspire the team to qualification. Will he be able to change that this time out?
* Man United-Liverpool-Chelsea acrimony needs to be considered; would Gerrard command the respect of England's United/Chelsea players?
* Gerrard is increasingly injury prone; will he even be able to play every game at the tournament?
* Gerrard is not the most vocal of people on the pitch, and he's admitted this himself.
* The John Terry factor needs to be considered: will Gerrard have the confidence and character to take charge of the team with Terry in the same squad? Whatever people think about the Chelsea captain, he is a born leader, and when the chips are down, he's still going to be vocal, which could undermine Gerrard.
Leading by example is great, but a lot more than just that is needed to be a successful captain, especially at a major international tournament.
Jaimie Kanwar
I have to agree. If Gerrard was more vocal and demanding towards his teammates he would be a better captain for England. But he deserves another shot. Lets see if in this Euro he'll step up to the task of captaining such a team.
ReplyDeleteI think in your haste to slate everything LFC related, you fail to realise that John Terry captained England in the failed Euro 2008 campaign.
ReplyDeletewell well wat can u say the onwer of this site, finally found his prey STEVE G, dude sitting on ur couch and typing these articles. its an easy job, tell u what u are no pundit, u are no paul the octopus lol, so let the games do the talking, what he is good at what he is not we will see that in euro 2012, we are few days away for that, so say to ur fingers "ON UR MARKS GET SET GOOOO" start typing fat articles about 4 liverpool players in the squad and please do type it for HENDERSON he is on "stand by"
ReplyDeleteBasically you're saying you have to be a loud mouth and a bit thuggish to be a good captain. Don't agree. Not many contributors to this website will remember Danny Blanchflower who captained that wonderful Spurs team of the late fifties/early sixties. He was an outstanding captain but he did not need to throw his weight around. In fact I think it is true to say he reminded Bill Nicholson that he was the manager on the pitch.
ReplyDeleteHopefully, Steven Gerrard will do likewise provided Terry & Lampard do not react to him as they did to AVB.
Lampard is fat and cant keep up with gerrard maybe thats why lampard and terry are both jealous of gerrard. what about the time he got rated better than both of them and they cracked up. and got the reporter an ex team mate of theres banned from stamford bridge
ReplyDeleteI think in your haste to moan about irrelevancies instead of addressing the actual points raised in the article, you fail to realise that I explicitly referred to the 2008 qualifying campaign,
ReplyDeleteBut I do agree, Jamie, that you persistently and consistently slate everything LFC related. You are the most disloyal fellow I have ever come across!
ReplyDeleteDon't visit this site then. Simple, no?
ReplyDeleteWhat a cunt of a column
ReplyDeleteThe 2008 QUALIFYING campaign was the only Euro 2008 campaign England had as England did not qualify for the finals, and Gerrard only captained the last 3 games
ReplyDeleteWell to be realistic I think I Would take Edgar David's opinion over yours oh and Zidane,s too , but hey what do they know ?
ReplyDeleteDavid Beckham wasn't loud on the pitch but still a top captain tht led by example! He is a top Liverpool captain so why not England too! If your captain produces what's. Wedged on the pitch it should lift the whole team to emulate it, if it doesn't you shouldn't be playing for England anyway!
ReplyDeleteI SEE WERE GETTING THE ON SIDE SITES, SAYING THINGS LIKE " IT'S TIME TO PUT POLITICS TO ONE SIDE" WHAT THEY REALLY MEN IS IT'S TIME TO PUT ONE SIDE OF POLITICS TO ONE SIDE - OUR SIDE,well if they think liverpudlians can be treated like the Tories treat the electorate they are sadly mistaken, Scousers will say what they think is right or wrong, when they want and for as long as they want.
ReplyDeleteBest midfield partnership for England, both with great experience. If not Scott Parker with Gerrard
ReplyDeleteBeckham a top captain? Remind me: how did england do with Beckham as captain?
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It don't actually matter what David's says just as it don't matter if Terry is there or not. England won't even make the top two in the group and the tournament will finish early for them. They have a mngr who in 36 years of managing the only thing he's won is LMA award and they have very limited players who can't keep and pass the ball like Spain for example.
ReplyDeleteI agree with edgar gerrard has the ability to lift the whole team he may not be vocal but he will let his football do the talking for him just like the champions league final he may be reaching the end of his career but he has earnt a last crack of the whip
ReplyDeleteGerrard and Lampard dont play well together never have and never will. First plane home for sure with this squad and manager
ReplyDeleteBobby Moore was the only true great England captain
ReplyDeleteI think the problem lies with Terry tbh, he is the unsettling factor in the England dressing room and has been for far too long now, it will as Jamie says be almost inevitable that Terry will try to undermine Gerrard as captain in this respect i think Roy has dropped a bollock already.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to take Terry then at least give the captaincy to Lampard who IMO would satisfy the beast....so to speak.
Not going to fault Gerrard because i think he is the right man to captain England, Terry should not be going, he is a liability, a problem just waiting to happen, there is no way he will buckle down at the Euro's with Gerrard as captain without trying on his shit again....
Unbelievable that we still have this issue, i just wish that for once this England team could put their differences to one side and play for their country to their best ability and hopefully put English football back on the map.
Its pathetic, Gerrard will be an easy target and IF Lampard decides to not play with Gerrard (again...) then it'll be the same old shite, only this time round we could come home embarrassingly early....
Those Chelsea boys will probably be more than content with their Cup double this season so no nicer way to finish it off than bringing utter humiliation to a hated rival.....
Its deffo worrying. Hopefully as i said these players will put down their weapons against each other and try and win the goddamn thing, but it really is up to Terry to show some respect and back the captain and get on with it.....
While little schemers from Italy dreamt of becoming fantasistas, conducting their team-mates to victory from the centre of the park, while South American youths honed their skills and picked up a few street-smarts in the dusty favelas, thanks to Roy of the Rovers, English children spent their formative years sat on their arses being taught a very strange lesson: it doesn't really matter what you do for 89 minutes because a superhero will turn up eventually, welt the ball into the net, and you can all go home with your cups and medals.
ReplyDeleteAs I have said many times before, you are a contrarian Kanwar.
ReplyDeleteYou relish taking an opposing view to the crowd just to be different. Nothing necessarily wrong with that , but when it's about your ego rather than the truth it's quite pathetic.
Slate Rafa defend Roy
Say Mascherano is overrated but Poulsen underrated
Doubt Gerrard's leadership but big up Terry the man whose leadership lead him to sleep with his team mates girlfriend.
....carry on finding unique views Kanwar and mask them as critical reasoning.
......and don't bother publishing this because any critical evaluation of you is of course never allowed!
he should of took Jagielka not Terry and not even have him in the squad
ReplyDeleteWhat a tool the author is. John Terry was the official England captain from August 2006 until he got caught out having bedded Wayne Bridge's girlfriend.
ReplyDeleteYou are consistently and constantly attacking Liverpool and it's players and I doubt anyone believes you are actually a Liverpool fan or even a football fan.
walked out of a live This is Your Life also and refused the book from Eamonn Andrews
ReplyDeleteConveniently ignored the fact that gerrard led by example i the 2010 World Cup, even scoring in the process.. In fact Lamps and StevieG were rampant playing together during qualifiers. instead you choose to sight an instance where he skippered the side only thrice in a lost cause... Selective amnesia?
ReplyDeletePS: 2-2 against Germany at HT (coming back from 2 goals down), could have changed the nature of that game. Goal line error by ref and England lost 4-1 (not saying thats why they lost, but could have been a different affair had that been all square going into the break)....
Its sad that one man can get away with so much disruption because he simply cannot reign his ego in a bit.....
ReplyDeleteHorrible fella, agenda driven power crazy nutjob. Jagielka if fit would have been a decent replacement, but then again i'd drop Terry for Carra tbh, such is my contempt....
Bound to make a name for himself, i just hope it is because he had a great tournament and nothing else....
Won't be holding my breath though.
There is an inverse proportionality at work here. Even in the Sunday league. The louder the shouting , the poorer the team. Stylish and successful teams don't need to make themselves heard. JC is an example of this. More successful when he is not in the team.
ReplyDeletebrilliant
ReplyDeleteI'd like to answer that. You come up with a headline that has absolutely nothing to do with the context of the 'article'. You put your arguments forward as to why Gerrard should not captain England, and you use incorrect facts to back it up like the fact that Terry, not Gerrard was the captain during the 2008 Q campaign. It's nice to take a critical view and all, but you're not doing anything constructive. Everytime I see an article on this site its a headline, little context and why you disagree with something - obviously negative toward Liverpool. That's slating.
ReplyDeleteOmg man. Jaime you're sinking to a new low. Beckham WAS indeed a great captain.
ReplyDeleteOk, i think that stevie will step up for england this time around at euro 2012 but i think he will be burnt out at the end of it all. But anyways, has anyone heard who the real favorite for lfc job.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion Rogers, martinez, Rafa, would all fail at the club but i think that AVB, klopp, deschamps, mourinho, and gaurdiola could succeed, AVB is a huge gamble but he could just do it. Klopp already stated he doesnt want to manage because his eyes are on germany job and i think he thinks lfc arent big enough for him. I agree with him actually, why move to a struggling, mediocre, mid table, and overpaid team when you are at a club that as defied Bayern of the title back to back and will be riveting in CL action all the while increasing your chances of managing Germany.Deschamps might be a reach and its pretty obvious we arent going to get mourinho or gaurdiola. I dont think Rafa would succeed. I llike the guy but really he is a terrible man to man manager. He sold alonso hoping he could barry. I credit what he did for the club but he wasted almost more money than KD and comolli did. Personally is say we try to tempt klinsmann from Usa. I mean he is 47 would bring great football to our side and he is an experienced club and international team manager. But he seems settled in Usa so i dont think he will be interested in taking over.
Unless drastic measures are taken, liverpool wont be competing in the CL anytime soon. We will have to get used to playing in europa league because after this season fair play rules take effect.
Man city will be struggling
Arsenal will lose Rvp and be basically scr*ooed
Chelsea will also struggle
United are drowning in debt
we will be mediocre and less spending means we are likely stuck with this team base for a while Basically i see in the long run Newcastle and Maybe tottenham iif they manage to hold on to their stars to be dominating the epl for some time.
People may say im crazy but thats my opinion of things
My bad fair play rules take place after next season.
ReplyDeletewhy didnt you go and find one of the many articles that kanwar has written around the managers job instead of just spouting it on a article that has nothing to do with the article above your opinion of things also concludes that they should give you a straight jacket and throw you away
ReplyDeleteStevie G in a England? No thanks. Convenient excuses aside, He has been forgettable and mediocre at best for most of his international career.
ReplyDeleteInter milan? hello!
ReplyDeleteHow can anyone honestly question whether Gerrard is capable of captaining this England squad, simply by the mere fact he's not that vocal a person??......Beckham was never the most vocal of players and he captained the team to 3 major tournaments. And what both these individuals have in common is/was a total respect of their footballing ability from their team mates. Ask any player in the Premiership today, let alone the England squad and they will tell you they would be honoured to play alongside Gerrard and have him captain them. The reason England failed to qualify for the 2008 European Championships was nothing to do with Gerrard but a certain Mr Steve McClaren who proved to be tactically inept at international level.
ReplyDeleteTerry is no doubt more vociferous as a character which makes him appear the more 'natural' leader. But even he'll admit that it's Gerrard who is most likely to make a player raise their game by setting an example dictating the level of play by his sheer footballing ability. It's no coincidence that when you look at some of the great international teams who won major honours, invariably their most gifted of players were their captains; Pele for Brazil in 1970, Beckenbauer for Germany in 1974, Dino Zoff for Italy in 1982, Maradona for Argentina in 1986 & Zinedine Zidane for France in 2006 didn't win (although should have) and it was very much down to Zidane they got as far as they did...as well as why they lost.
I believe Gerrard is the best choice for this England squad and there aren't even too many players in today's game from across Europe I'd sooner have in his place, had they been English.
He hasn't really done any recent articles on the managers position and really this is a lfc fan website I'm free to post whatever id like to post. And really the article has more to do with England than lfc
ReplyDeleteJust what exactly did he win with Inter Milan.
ReplyDeleteTotally agree with you Jamie,I`ve supported Liverpool for 40 years,living in New Zealand and now Australia,(part of the LFC global fan base!!!!).
ReplyDeleteLiverpool have not performed well,with the exception of 2009,on a consistent basis in the EPL for some years now.A critical appraoch therefore has to be expected of LFC as a business that has not delivered and as a club who`s managers and players have under achieved for some years now.
As a LFC supporter,I first and foremostley crave for an EPL title...then in time Champions League success in Europe again.This won`t happen quickly I know,but if fans can`t get past `the rose tinted Kenny is God syndrome and he can do no wrong`and be critical and hard nosed about wanting to move forward..then these fans will end up waiting another 20 odd years before we can once again be crowned champions of England.
We need Fenway Sports to be critical and `hard nosed`but show empathy to `the ethos that is LFC in all their business decision making to get this club back up the EPL ladder....this I believe they are.We need all our supporters to likeminded...back LFC to the hilt..praise the club and it`s players when warranted...but at the same time,if it`s justified,then be critical if the lack of performance warrants it.Sadly,the season ending EPL STATS IN PARTICULAR,meant that the club,it`s management and the players,could expect and deserve a critical anayalsis of the 2011-12 season,where fans,like myself,felt it is justified...does`nt mean I won`t go on supporting my beloved Liverpoool FC for the next 40 years now,does it????
england have never built the team round gerrard thats always been the problem. sacraficed for lesser players in his best position.last chance saloon for gerrard and he and roy know it.
ReplyDeletewish them all the best
Why? How did he inspire England in major tournaments? As I recall, Beckham got sent off in one tournament, and shirked a tackle in another that indirectly led to a Brazil win.
ReplyDeleteNone of England's so-called 'leaders' have been up to scratch in major tournaments; England need someone tough and uncompromising like Roy Keane, not someone who is always everyone's mate; afraid to upset all the egos (i.e Beckham and Gerrard).
Good post, it never ceases to amaze me how quick our own fans are to disregard Gerrard or write him off, as far as im concerned he's a great leader great captain and great playe. What more can you want from the guy...???
ReplyDeleteI remember a debate discussing his worth to us over 3 years ago, some saying we should think about selling him etc, couldn't believe my ears.....from our own fanbase...
There are times when i near on despair at this Club tbh, if we can't value and appreciate a player like Stevie and recognize his talents then we are beyong help....
You know this is a liverpool fan website. Jamie has not done any recent articles on The managerial position. And in all honesty this article has more to do with england than liverpool. Im not english so i dont care how good or how bad they do at the euros. And i will post what i want to post so u my friend are the one that needs the straight jacket.
ReplyDeleteagreed im not english but even i can see that england have the potential to be a great international side but really if gerrard and terry and lampard play together at euros england will lose.
ReplyDeleteThis is what the lineup should be
Hart
Walker Cahill Jones Cole
Parker
Walcott Ox
Stevie G
Carroll Rooney
By leaving out lamps and terry gerrard will stamp his authority on the team.
Who cares about England? I'd be shocked if they won a chook raffle.
ReplyDeleteYep, no better way of helping your team than refusing to go to a tournament with them a la Keano.
ReplyDeleteA truly great captain is neither someone quiet on the pitch and surpisingly doubtful of himself (Gerrard), nor is it he who shouts loudest and tackles hardest, even if they are great like Keane or Vieira, if it comes at the expense of discipline.
Puyol, Matthaus, Beckenbauer, Maldini or Baresi could be counted on in a way that few others could.
England will come back from Euro with zero. And Gerrard will probably come back crocked.
ReplyDeleteIn football a leader will inspire his teamates, he will lead from the front, he will earn the respect of others, he will do everything in his power to get the job done, he will sacrifice himself for the good of the team, he will pick the spirits up of his fallen teamates and bring them back from the dead to help them, he will be the one the manager looks to for help on the pitch and then when the game is in the balance he will be the one that everyone see's because he will be the one that wants the ball the most.
ReplyDeleteSo Jamie if you think Terry has this over Gerrard i would have to disagree with you, but if Terry got a tattoo with Stevie's face on him, than i would say he is half way there.
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/article.php?id=10335577 Hey Jamie i read these comments by AVB and i think you should have a read because he really knows footaball and has some great ideas, personally i think he would be perfect for LFC, if the link works let me know what you think or even if the interveiw is real.
ReplyDeleteWhy do people read this nonsense?
ReplyDeleteThis is the biggest crock of a website I've ever come across.
Muppets reading a muppets website.
i hope our players do well in any game, internationally. however ING GUR LUN don't interest me and i hope they get knocked out early. then our players can have a rest.
ReplyDeleteI really hope no-one of any importance takes any notice of your opinions Jaimie. Plenty of successful captains have led more by example than simply bellowing orders.
ReplyDeleteAs for your comments about Liverpool, if those of influence do precisely the opposite of what you say, then we may actually see some progress.
As it is right now, you and other fickle folks out there have your wish in having dislodged a legendary figure who radically changed our football style for the better, and with better finishing would have gained many more points.
And now we're scrabbling around for second rate successors who are prepared to toe the line with a Moneyball strategy that is highly unlikely to succeed.
Some captains like Phil Neville lead by example though not being the best player in the world his team plays better when he is on the pitch, because of the encouragment he gives them.
ReplyDeleteWell jaime claim to be a "fan" but really i see him more passionate in defending himself for his consistent criticism rather than actually supporting the club.
ReplyDeleteIn my eyes jaime you are either a Manure fan or just an attention-seeker which of course should not bother you just like many real fans can't be bothered with your views of how a real footballing legend like Gerrard may not be the right choice to be England Captain. If you really know your stuff im sure the people in charge would have asked for your opinion eh?
PS: If you have the right to consistently write ridiculous articles here then i also have the right to remain here to respond to your nonsense. It's quite well-known you have banned certain people from posting in your site. But if you have the cheek to write anything about LFC then you should have the guts to be responsible of the contents you wrote. I rather wish you dug yourself a hole and disappear like what you did when your favourite owners Hicks & Gillette were proven to be taking us on a ride and deservedly forced to sell the club by RBS.
Not really sure you would know that much about leadership Jaimie. It is the opposite of undermining which is your speciality.
ReplyDeleteCorrect on both counts.
ReplyDeleteI have noticed that Jamie's comments and or data can be misleading atimes. The other day he stated that Arsene Wenger came to Arsenal from Nagoya, making him relatively unknown. But I cross checked that and found he had won the league and cup with AS Monaco of France. It's woth checking out some of Jamie's postings
ReplyDeleteCarroll? Ho-ho! He should be playing his football in the park. But if you can't have useless Emile I suppose you might as well have useless Andy. England will go precidely nowhere, as usual.
ReplyDeleteYour point about Arsene Wenger being relatively unknown before Arsenal was inaccurate and misleading as you employed that point to undescore your point on Martinez. You dont have to twist facts
ReplyDeleteHere's a thought: why don't you stop grossly misquoting me and make a rudimentary attempt to be accurate? I did not argue that Wenger was 'relatively unknown' before he went to Arsenal - I argued that he came from a poor, non-competitive league, which is true.
ReplyDeleteSays something about Blanchflower's decision making under pressure when he walked off Eamonn Andrews "This is Your Life" TV programme. Hope Steven Gerrard is also so resolute. Don't think Terry or Lampard should feature after such a testing CL for players on the cusp of retirement. Can't see much wrong with the team suggested by Suarez18 but would need the back-up of another centre back like Jagielka (sp?).
ReplyDeleteOtherwise Hogdson's selection is good in as much as he can mix'n match with utility men like Johnson and Jones. I wish them well.
terry and cahill should be the centre backs, captain gerrard, then england can go far for once
ReplyDeleteJagielka is a class player and just gets on with the job no histrionics and he always had Torres in his pocket
ReplyDeleteJAIMIE....I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE LADS ON HERE - EVERYTIME I READ AN ARTICLE OF YOURS IT IS SO ANTI LIVERPOOL.......U CAN NOT POSSIBLY CALL YOURSELF A SUPPORTER OF OUR CLUB.
ReplyDeleteAt times you have a point - and in this one you might do with Gerards lack of shouting....but a man with such ability leads in other ways.
You word things so negatively and are basically more opinion than knowledge.
Have you ever played football???
In the 90% of games he played for the club in the last two seasons have been forgettable
ReplyDeletered and white kop
ReplyDeleteAnd you also obviously failed to mention the confusion and failed SA WC 2010 campaign captained by Terry
ReplyDeleteJaimie remember how you were/is very critical about Suarez's racist saga but now you are silent about Terry's and his being in the squad.How much does Ferg16 pay you to do all this Jaimie?
ReplyDeleteI am of the opinion that Terry has passed his use-by date and should be dropped along with Ferdinand,from the starting line-up! I believe that Gerrard and England would perform far better without them in the team.
ReplyDeleteHaha, did you watch the games? 21 appearances and 9 goals. He had around a 120% return on chances created, whereas most players stay around the 90% mark. This is not taking into account how much better the rest of the team performed when he was on the pitch. For a central attacking mid playing on a team that hasn't scored much and finished out of the top four, that's pretty good play. Matter of fact, it's pretty good play even if they had played well and finished in the top four.
ReplyDeleteShocked that you'd say that, personally.
I can cite my sources for the stats if you want, but it's easy to do a search online.
Remind me: Is Terry a Liverpool player?
ReplyDeleteGETTING OFF THE SUBJECT !!!!! I firmly believe that Liverpool's big problem is that there is no continuity at the club anymore!
ReplyDeleteNo Paisley/Fagan/Moran/Evans etc; None of the old players left at Anfield who can help guide the club?
I have just read an article about Bayern Munich,and all positions are taken up by ex-players!
Honorary President ; FranzBeckenbauer.
Second string coach ; Gerd Muller.
President ; Uli Hoeness.
Chairman ; Karl-Heinz Rummenigge.
Past goalkeeper coach; Sepp Maier.
General manager ; Christian Nerlinger.
Liverpool FC have stuffed up and let the 'Bootroom' disintegrate!
Problem for the future is that with the kind of ownership now in place it is highly unlikely that it will ever return!
However, Rafa Benitez had tried to start it going again! He new the value of it,and brought Dalglish back for that very reason!
I believe that Benitez has LFC in his blood and could revitalise the club - if he were to be given another crack at it!
Jamie , what about getting the ball rolling on this debate ???
I feel like i just wasted 5 mins of my life reading this article! davids is right! every england manager over the last 15 years has started well and then foulded like a book!!! what they say and what they did are two different things!!! gerrard can win a game on his own! fact! he did it in the CL final! the biggest game of a clubs history! he dragged us kicking and screaming to the istanbul final! he did it in the FA cup final against west ham! he is that good! so to question him as a player for england is kind of the reason he never plays well for you! at liverpool he is worshiped! england should build a team around players like him! you had shearer and questioned him, owen, gazza, cole, le tisser! all players who brazil would have built sides around! but england are set in the "they need to track back, give %100 and be part of the team" spain have xavi and inesta! brazil had ronald, rhonaldinio and carlos! all players the team were built around! the media, the coaches, the FA are all to blame and until they all change england are going to be a team that will mostly get to tournaments but quater finals are the best they can hope for!!!
ReplyDeleteI am thinking FSG have been reading this site and have taken note. Good on you Jamie, next Suarez will be sacked and all will be rosie.
ReplyDeleteOnce we appoint the new nice to the media manager we are a big chance of getting top 4 nicest team in the league next season.
Yippee
Why is it that English sporting teams often have individually very good sides but when the chips are down fail to deliver.
ReplyDeleteI think it maybe a problem with attitude and poor Stevie has to lead one of the worst England squads i have seen at a big tournament.
He is going to cop a caning from the media coz England need to really start pulling their finger out.
Gerrard is an inspiration for Liverpool & England. I believe he has a good relationship with everyone in the England squad. He played with his heart out for England in every major tournament. Blaming him for failing to bring England to the Euro 2008 is harsh - he can't do it alone every time. Being a captain is not just about having a vocal in the squad, but you need to be able to inspire your teammates. Gerrard does that. He deserves England captaincy.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the relevance of Terry being/not being a Liverpool player?
ReplyDeleteSharpen up Omid and pay attention, otherwise we will have to Omid you post's ok
ReplyDeleteHi Bill,
ReplyDeleteCan you settle an argument for me please ?
I'm arguing with my mate and say that Michael Jackson had a hit with the song....Billydean....am I right ?
Got to admit the JK has a point.
ReplyDeleteWhilst I'm on here Jazzy, do you have a brother DJ with the surname Jeff ?
Hello there Janice (hit me baby one more time).
ReplyDeletethe clue is in this sites name ?
and as JT is not a LFC player no one is that bothered unless you want to go down the racism road which would be ill advised
Suarez18. YOUR CRAZY,
ReplyDeleteRight Suarez18, I've got my Tape measure out,
ReplyDeleteWhat size chest are you please ?
game, SETT and match
ReplyDeleteHere Here,well said Robbie.
ReplyDeleteLook Davph, Forget Suarez18, we have Just measured him up for his nice new Jacket and he will shortly be on his way to a special hospital in Rainhill, Merseyside.
ReplyDeleteHe even says by his own admission that people call him Crazy
CALM DOWN JACKIE, anymore comments like that and we will start thinking you are a closet bluenose
ReplyDeleteRIGHT THAT'S IT JACKIE,
ReplyDeleteWHAT SIZE CHEST ARE YOU PLEASE
Dearie me Frogface.....seeing "bluenoses" everywhere, aren't you?
ReplyDeleteHi Jamie, re. an earlier post about John Terry,i received a reply from a Paul French to which i took personal offence.Can you deal with it please?
ReplyDeletehey its my opinion man. thats what i see is the future. if your another deluded fan that believe lfc can qualify for the CL anytime soon then you have no right to call me crazy because really whoever comes in at manager wont be able to get lfc into CL next season. We will soon be a club battling for relegation if we dont set the team right. In the next 5 years we should target holding down a place in the top 7. Then challenge CL so i dont see us in the CL for a while now
ReplyDeleteAndy Carroll
ReplyDeleteHow can saying that Gerrard is not vocal on the pitch is in any way slating Liverpool and be disloyal ?
ReplyDeleteYou bunch should grow up. Learn to accept constructive critics. If tomorrow Liverpool gets relegated, we should all clap and say bravo! All the players are great! Support through think and thin! yay. Get real, football does not work that way.
Learn to accept critics, and we'll all move forward.
If Gerrard wasn't restrained in a holding role he'd be a better captain for England.
ReplyDeletewalker not in the squad and rooney banned for first 2 matches.
ReplyDeleteYou ask did i watch the games and than go on to bring up stats. Oh the irony. 'Haha', pfffft.
ReplyDeleteI was going by performances, not by stats, i.e., watching the games. By his peak standards, he hasn't been anywhere near good enough. In the last two seasons, name me the games where he put in the level of performance he put in against Everton at Anfield this season? Because that is the kind of Stevie we used to in the past. To come up with an answer, you would have to watch the games, not go by stats only.
You are still Crazy, and you admit it yourself in the last line last paragraph, check it out.
ReplyDeleteOr if you want to be super technical about it, you say..and I quote you on this word for word, people MAY say I'm Crazy, which is a clear invitation by you for people to call you crazy
Well apparently, you didn't see the games because I saw 35 out of the 38 Prem games this season, all of the ones Gerrard took part in and he played well most times. The times he came on as a sub, he lifted the team. The reason I brought in stats is because you can't disagree with them. We can disagree on how he played on watching the games (since apparently you do), but since I have stats, it shows that my argument is more valid.
ReplyDeleteJust admit it man, you probably didn't watch the games, and if you did then you have some incredibly unorthodox means of judging performance. I showed you stats that he played well and his chances created to matches played ratio (which is the single most important aspect in judging an attacking mids effectiveness). You can deny it as much as you want, but facts support my opinion. This is like you saying the world is flat when evidence plainly shows otherwise.
'lies, damned lies and statistics' (there is a reason for this famous saying and to give you a clue (as you probably aren't aware going by your dribble), its not a positive one about statistics), do not make your argument more valid, it just adds something that can be analysed positively and negatively, just like most statistics. Laughable but bless you and your naivety, regarding stats as some sort of be all and end all. People with common sense know that stats are fallible.
ReplyDeleteYou failed to give me the number of performances that he has put in in the last 2 seasons of the calibre he put in against Everton at Anfield this season. Fail. All you have given is some stats and back it up with not one single bit of subjective opinion that is worth reading again, instead just a whole load of waffle that is worse than a terd.Watching football games is subjective and perception, your opinion in relation to his performance is not factual, its a mere opinion, when it comes to watching his performances. I received email notification of your original attempt at the post before it was edited by you or your moderator, so I have no interest in debating further with a person who resorts to childish nonsense such as saying '
Just admit it man, you probably didn't watch the games', as silly comments like that (though I admit in this riposte I have nearly gone down to your level but its only way to get through to people like you) says more about your inability to debate properly and your pathetic nature, than it does about me. Unsurprisingly, you and your laughable riposte have given nothing worthy of debating further, just a load of waffle, so on that basis, I bid you farewell as one can only laugh at your waffle for so long.
I saw almost all of the Prem games, just for reference.
ReplyDeleteSeems Comolli left his stats book with you. A pity he didn't take you and the Moneyball obsession to France with him. Gerrard has been average by his standards but luckily for him, he has earned the right to be given leeway and that also quite a few others around him have been worse. Maybe Chan is harsh on Gerrard as Gerrard has always had consistency problems when playing in central midfield as that is not his best role but Gerrard has set high standards (albeit playing further forward and on the right, in relation to his best form), so its no surprise some think he has been average of late. He hasn't really got going as the Stevie we are used to during his peak, not by a long shot. Spreadsheets will always come secondary to watching games, always, in relation to the bigger picture.
ReplyDeleteTo quote what Chan said...'oh the irony'. erm me thinks your the one that needs to 'calm down' as Chan's last reply was three days ago and so was yours, yet three days later here you are stirring it up again with a silly line like 'calm down' and a long winded post with mostly hot air in it which adds nothing to the debate. Sounds like your being wound up, as you still can't let sleeping dogs lie as you have both your made your point ages ago yet you keep on replying with nothing substantial to add to the debate and instead, a silly remark yet again. The stupid remarks of yours stand out more, which only serve the purpose that your unable to debate without resorting to illustrating moments of your own stupidity. Remember you started off the stupid negative tone with that line of you don't watch the games/did you watch the games crap (that is when one knows they are talking to a person (i.e. you) doesn't seem to grasp the basic understanding that football is subjective, regardless of the manipulative stats at hand. Every man and his dog knows the vulnerability of stats so I suggest you take your own advice and calm down. Let sleeping dogs lie, as you made your point ages ago.
ReplyDeleteYou responded? He asked for games for which our Stevie had played well in. You didn't even give one game.
ReplyDeleteYou just gave some pathetic line of something like 'he played well in most'. That is not a response to the question asked, that is just nothing. He said name me the games, you gave fuck all love.
Appropriate weight? It was given the appropriate weight the person/s feels it deserved from reading it. Don't go crying just because people don't view your high horse opinion as highly as you do. Stats in the way you put them forward in your so-called opinion deserve very little credibility in my opinion. 'LOL', your use of 'LOL' just makes you come across infantile...yet again. Jeez, I'm glad it is your last post on this....for your own sake.You lecturing about 'move on'? Yet here you are, biting on the bait....again. So dear me, your a funny one. Hmm, what are the odds on you biting again I wonder.
You responded? He asked for games for which our Stevie had played well in. You didn't even give one game. You just gave some pathetic line of something like 'he played well in most'. That is not a response to the question asked, that is just nothing. He said name me the games, you gave fuck all love.
ReplyDeleteAppropriate weight? It was given the appropriate weight the person/s feels it deserved from reading it. Don't go crying just because people don't view your high horse opinion as highly as you do. Stats in the way you put them forward in your so-called opinion deserve very little credibility in my opinion. 'LOL', your use of 'LOL' just makes you come across infantile...yet again. Jeez, I'm glad it is your last post on this....for your own sake.You lecturing about 'move on'? Yet here you are, biting on the bait....again. So dear me, your a funny one. Hmm, what are the odds on you biting again I wonder.