Unarmed, yet Shot SIX times. Murdered by the Police. Disgrace #Justice4MichaelBrown

5/17/2012 11:45:00 am

Confirmed: Dalglish tried to swap Carroll for controversial £25m striker...

Andy Carroll's woeful performance in front of goal is arguably one of the main reasons Kenny Dalglish is not longer manager of Liverpool. If Carroll had scored more goals, Liverpool would've won more games, and the club's league season may not have turned out to be such an unmitigated disaster. Dalglish has supported Carroll to the hilt this season, but now it transpires that the he tried swap Carroll with Carlos Tevez during the January transfer window.

According to "Mancini: Diary of a Champion", a new book to be published next week:

* During the January transfer window, Liverpool made "tentative enquires" about the possibility of swapping Carroll for Tevez.

* To facilitate the swap, the club was willing to take a £10 million hit on the deal and drop Carroll's valuation to £25 million (the valuation placed on Tevez by City at the time).

In a press conference at the time, Mancini was cagey over the possibility of any Tevez-Carroll swap deal:

"At the moment no because we have not talked about this with Liverpool. This is a new one for me. I never heard of this. Carroll is a good player...but it would be difficult and I don't think [it is going to happen]. There was no phone call to me.

Manchester City clearly new better, and the deal fell through. Soon after, I ran a poll asking whether Liverpool fans would be happy if the club signed Tevez. Over a 5000 fans voted in the survey, and the results showed that 63% of voters would happily accept Tevez at Anfield. A surprising result to say the least.

Just imagine if that swap deal had gone through; it's entirely possible Liverpool's league form would've improved, and perhaps the club would be in the Champions League spots right now.

Of course, there's no guarantee Tevez would've made any difference, but he grabbed 4 goals and 2 assists in six starts after being brought back into the fold by Mancini, which is the same number of league goals/assists Carroll has managed all season (!)

As much as I'm not a fan of Tevez, It would he hard to turn down that particular swap deal.

Jaimie Kanwar




SITE UPDATE: COMMENT POLICY
11 August 2014


Reasoned, adult discussion is the name of the game on this site, so please bear in mind the following when posting comments:

* ALL views are welcome, and if someone's football-related opinion doesn't fit your pre-conceived notion of what constitutes an LFC 'fan', then tough luck.

* Good-natured banter is fine, but posts containing personal insults, belittlement, sniping, deliberate antagonism etc (directed at fellow posters, players, managers, rival fans etc) will be deleted.


* Attack the argument, not the person. Repeat offenders will be banned.

* Posts moaning about 'negativity' will also be deleted. The aim of this site is 'critical realism about LFC', so please expect a critical/analytical approach, and be prepared to have your opinion challenged.

* Txt spk is outlawed. Please write in proper sentences, and avoid using abbreviations like LOL, PMSL etc.

* The site owner welcomes and encourages disagreement, but only if opposing views are presented in line with the guidelines above.


Ultimately, it's simple: be as vehement and passionate as you like, but please remain civil at all times. Thank you.


75 Comments :

Tornike Khomeriki said...

I'd never taken that swap. In my book, decency comes first, ability only second.

MICK DUNDEE said...

GO AWAY KANWAR, YOU AND YOUR ENDLESS DRIVEL OF ATTENTION SEEKING STORIES

thekippax said...

 one word suarez.

TomBom said...

 So you want to get rid of Suarez because he says he would cheat to gain an advantage for his team, but would accept a player who wont even play when asked to by his manager, then swans off to play golf for 6 months, and only returns when he realizes no one wants him.
Sorry but that is double standards.

Tornike Khomeriki said...

Yes, he should never have been brought to this club either.

FergieTime, Ha said...

If it did happen Man U might have won the Prem, made up it didn't 

Jaimie K said...

Nice regurgitation of uncorroborated Press exaggeration there. 

* There is no proof that Tevez refused to play against Bayern. City's players denied hearing anything of the sort, and Tevez himself denies it.

* Tevez was placed on gardening leave Sheikh Mansour - he did not stay away of his own accord.  What was he supposed to do during that period? Locks himself away from the world?

I'm not a fan of Tevez, but I am a fan of the facts, and fairness.

Micky Owens24 said...

oh yeah, that wud have been great for liverpool when he fucked off back to argentina for 6moths u tit!! wud have left us in a right wee pickle!! sometimes i wonder about you 

Davph said...

Why should Liverpool countenance taking a £10m hit by swapping for Andy Carroll for Carlos Tevez when they could have bought Niki Jelavic for somewhere around £5m but our supporters seemed to rail against that deal just because he played for Rangers? Small change for a player who has scored 10 goals for Everton and nearly torpedoed our chances of reaching the FA Cup Final. Had he been on our side we would have won it!

Furthermore, I implored the Reds in December to make a bid for Dempsey.

Had we signed both of those players I'm certain we would have won the FA Cup and finished in the top four. Alas, my appeals fell on deaf ears and the rest is history.

AZLAN said...

finally..!!!!
welcome to anfield TEVEZZ....put him to NO.9..

Jaimie K said...

I totally agree with all your points. it still sickens me that the club missed out on jelavic.

Dariuskingg said...

Are you having a laugh?! Tevez any day in my book. We need people who would deliver regularly and that is what Carlos does. Yes he had his problems at city but you would recall that he told the club last season that he wanted to leave and the club blocked his 35m quid move to santos. He stayed and was subsequently stripped off the armband and then made a bit-part player which i think is bang out of order in my book for someone who almost single handedly got them into the champions league. In munich, Roberto only thought of bringing him on with 20mins to go in a game that virtually every non-city fan knew they couldn't win. What's the point?! That's the sort of thing you do to fringe players like jamie carragher and not a world beater like carlo. i say forget his attitude, just let the boy play and no matter how much negative publicity he stirs up, you know the next game he's going to score and rub it into his haters faces. SIMPLES!

Barraob1 said...

Did you ask the club directly or just mention it online and down in pub? Idiot

Kami Alonso said...

That is why no one wants to buy ur book :P :P

Formerly B/W said...

I totally agree with you Jamie i too would have taken Tevez.

Janicedysart said...

Hindsight,the gift of every genius.I don't recall the campaign to "go get Jelavic". So Carroll is the subject for todays beating.......

Jmontoya201 said...

Tevez and Suarez, would have been "The Beauty and the Beast" let him wear #9

Phaaz Buucke said...

This has to be one of the most laughably daft comments ever. Tevez' problems were with Mancini/Man City. Why would he refuse to play with a new club (hypothetically LFC)? Do you even understand what is being discussed?

mitch2u2 said...

There was more than AC involved in costing Kenny his job, Kenny included.

Nearly every player under performed this season and was guilty of not contributing more goals. Granted as a striker thats his main role but AC was given less game time than any of the new boys and from what you just said it was quite clear he wasn't wanted at the club..

No suprise then that he should under perform with such under whelming confidence shown in him from the management team.

AC is not and probably never will be the 35 million pound player we signed but neither is he the donkey that some people make him out to be..

Regardless of what you might think of him you have to realise that he is a young player saddled with the tag of most expensive Brittish footballer of all time at a club that clearly didn't want him.. or if they did, quickly changed their minds.

Hardly the recipe for success now is it..

I'm sure FSG weren't too impressed in breaking the Brittish transfer fee on a player only to find that 12 months later there was an attempt to ship him out.. and without any real or concerted effort to utilise him.. Kenny hardly done himself any favours on this one either.

Lets see what a new manager and a bit of confidence can do for the guy.. we 've already seen signs of what he is capable of..

If your going to have a go at anybody costing Kenny his job may I suggest you start with Stewart Downing now...

You could write a thesis on the waste of space that guy has been.

RedHeart said...

Kenny lost job because of waste of money more than performances. All money Kenny spent was unreasonable. Whole world could see that Andy Carroll was not worth half of £35 million.
He didn't learn from that mistake and went on to buy 27 year old average winger for £20 million.  
None of his buys had prospect of better sell on value, very unlike Rafa's buys. Transfers always have chances of failure but a manager should buy tactfully so it can be easy to get rid of unsuccessful player. 

Phaaz Buucke said...

True, everyone thinks Jelavic is a great player now, also Papiss Cisse. But back in December it was "who's Jelavic?", "who's this Cisse guy, didn't he play for LFC a few years ago?"

Kopred said...

get a grip lad. I don't see anyone making such a fuss over messi?! Suarez is our best player and muppets like you will be the reason he leaves. The evra thing was a sham and only a continuation of poppygate and blater no racisem in football. Lets not forget how whisky face reacted as scotland manager when uraguay knocked his team out. There is no one who puts a harder shift in on the pitch than suarez, if you ever went to anfield this would be clear to you. Don't get me wrong, he has made mistakes yes but that is down to the bad management of the powers that be at the club. 

smokky said...

So K.D was actually not as loyal to his players as he claimed to be!

OriginalChan said...

Suarez and Tevez, what a pair they would make with their football ability and their characters. No thanks though, can't stand Suarez, despite his football ability, so to add Tevez, not sure what that would do to me! But in terms of football ability, he is a fine player indeed and better than Suarez, let alone Carroll.

Anyhoo, Tevez doesn't even want to be in this country, so he is going to bugger off sooner or later.

Davph said...

Tevez & Suarez would be good for any team but certainly not on the pitch at the same time. How could you decide who was the beauty and who was the beast? Rumours abound that Fergie is trying to sign Suarez!

Barrob1 I can well imagine what the Moderator deleted - as Cpl Jones says in Dads Army - you don't like it up you! (The facts that is) Do you think the club is isolated from supporters comments on the net? Jamie K will let you know if the prospect of Jelavic signing from Rangers was well received and he will also be able to tell you if anyone supported the introduction of Jelavic & Dempsey given a bucket of ice water to cool hsi brain. It may have escaped you that our owners are the same Nationalty as Clint Dempsey which may well have held some sway in procuring his services.

OriginalChan said...

Its no secret that he has wanted to leave England in the last two years because of family reasons, hence the transfer request he made back in 2010. Its not just to do with Mancini, Tevez had/issues to nothing to do with Man City.

The owners want a 5 year term of stability, Tevez is hardly the ideal player for that.

OriginalChan said...

Ah yes, there is always a scapegoat for our so-called heroes Suarez and Rafa.

Wew said...

Those goal and asssist he scored was with a strong city side, forget he would have done the same with the crap midfieilds LFC had consisting of Adam dan Spearing.

thekippax said...

i'm sticking up for tevez you muppet, the kippax was at maine rd you muppet, that makes me city you muppet

Gtyrrell01 said...

Hi Jaimie, as hard as I have I tried over the past season I never seem to read any good news on your web site or any positive comments. Do you think you could try a little harder to support the club in future,

Gerry T

FdotM said...

Jamie! Rhodes is being snapped up! Noooo! Arghhh!

Phaaz Buucke said...

Agreed, but if he'd signed for LFC in January he wouldn't have gone off for the next 6 months - most likely he'd give them 2 years / 1.5 years like he's done everywhere else and then LFC would probably get more than their money back on him.

Two points:
1) FSG want 5 years of stability but that doesn't mean that they're going to get a team together in one or two transfer windows that will then last for 5 years - 2 years from a committed Tevez (it would need careful management) could fit into their plans well.
2) Tevez has always had problems with Mancini going back to when Hughes was replaced but, by and large, if Tevez is playing regularly he's happy - Man Utd more or less dropped him when Berbatov came in and Tevez was never as good for United after that. Same thing happened at City this season when Balotelli and Aguero came in - it's obvious to me that Tevez should have been in City's team ahead of Balotelli. Once he's getting games he's rarely much bother (though his agent might be!)

Anyway, it's nether here nor there now - most likely he'll be off over this close season to a La Liga or Serie A team.

OriginalChan said...

'he wouldn't have gone off for the next 6 months'

This is Tevez we are talking about.

He averages a year before he or that agent of his kicks up a fuss/starts playing media/PR games (even tried to play the Manure fans against Ferguson, during a pivotal stage of the season. Ha!).  A year, mere year. 

He is a top player but selfish odious character too, that has a long record, along with his agent, of messing their respective clubs around. I simply dislike the way he and his agent have gone about things during his time in PL. I don't want to see the inevitable media circus that he brings, to this club and playing silly games with the manager, just because he gets dropped. Because of his behaviour, I don't want him anywhere near the club. I guess I'm old school, that football ability isn't the be all and end all for me. I can barely stand Suarez, so Tevez? Urgh.

He was playing regularly and was first choice when he made that transfer request, so very little to do with lack of first team action in that occasion. So its not just the matter of 'keeping him sweet' with regular football. 

Yes, he has had problems with Mancini but its not all to do with Mancini, also to do with family issues and his big ego. 

He'll be off to Milan or Real me thinks. My bet is on a merry go round with new money PSG, Real, Milan and City involving the likes of Ibra, Tevez, Higuain, Pato and Dzeko.

Jaimie K said...

And for only 3.5m. What a joke. He should be a Liverpool player. Gutted we'll miss out on him.

Kopred said...

he played golf once as i am told by one of the city junior coaches and suggests that all images and vids from him playing golf are from the same day as he is wearing the same clothes every time

BillyDeane09 said...

The owners are probably not aware of Dempseys nationality as the owners dont have a flipping clue about football

BillyDeane09 said...

Rhodes is class for 3.5m should be added to the squad as it appears the only signings this summer are going to be bargains and Bosmans.

Mark Whitelaw said...

This is something I wholeheartedly agree with you about. I'm Scottish so I know what's happening in Scottish football, as well as having friends who are on both sides of the Old Firm. Both sets told me that he would be awesome for Liverpool. £5m quid? Bargain. His goals could have made the difference in the Champions League race, he could have paid for his transfer in 4 months!

Micky Owens24 said...

Phazz Buucke are u mental!?! i know exactly what is being discussed!!!! im not a fucking idiot that jumps on the band wagon like most are on this site!!! why would he refuse to play for a new club…..????? well he refused to play for a club who was paying him 200k+ per week, a club he says he loves, a club challenging for the title and champions league!!! if he can refuse to play for that club im sure CARLOS TEVEZ, would refuse to play for any club!!! the man is a fucking ejit, and with that kia joorabchian in his ear u never no what is gonna happen!! totally unreliable!! and originalchan is right, he said the problem was he was homesick and missed his family!! why would we want a disruptive player like him?? and god only knows what damage him and suarez wud do, it wud be like having dennis the menace and bart simpson at the club!!!!

Melon Man said...

As a City fan, I've not seen as much of Carroll as you guys, but what I have seen leads me to believe he has the raw potential to go on to become a world beater, especially in a side firing on all cylinders, built around his strengths, unfortunately not Liverpool this season, but next, who knows?

Carlos Tevez, I strongly suspect, was clinically depressed, overworked for several seasons without a decent break, due to Argentina's involvement in World Cup and Copa America, and struggling in his personal life, which led to his mindset to leave City by any means neccessary. Luckily his "strike" gave him the rest and recuperation he obviously needed, leading to a more humble, refreshed and happier person.

For me, Tevez could well stay at City, and maybe he'll manage his mental health much better in future. Personally, I question his ability to work unselfishly for the team, and wouldn't be sorry to replace him with a player of similar ability but with an eye on a pass to a better placed team mate.

I would be happy to swap Tevez for Carroll, but luckily it's not my call.

In both player's cases, I think the fans expected perfection instantly, always, which is unrealistic - they're not robots, and could well come good, maybe even great, given patience and backing.

Belfast Red said...

There is no doubting the quality of Tevez, but he has brought with him non-footballing problems to every English club he has been with.

gabweb said...

Lots of people said we should go in for him once it was clear Rangers were so skint they were looking at offers. Everyone said 35 million was too much for Carroll. At his age, and because of his cost, and Tevez's character, I'd still, just, have Carroll first over Tevez, though.

gabweb said...

Agreed, it would be a mad house with one of them, but both?

chibuzo akobundu said...

I don't know how drunk Mancini and management at Man City would have to be to agree to the trade of Carrol for Tevez. Tevez provides them with a lot of pace up front, that Carroll simply doesn't have. He would have provided them with yet another big target man up front. They already have Mario Bollatelli, and Eden Dzeko. Carroll would hardly ever got a game as he would be the fourth strike in the pool. Thankfully for him this deal fell through and he was guaranteed minutes just by being Liverpool's only other registered first team striker.

gabweb said...

same here. And if he does well, Fulham will be looking to make 15 million on him, if he does not, well, they will sell him somewhere for about 3 million and make no loss at all.

gabweb said...

Well, congratulations on last weekend! You deserved it and were the best team over the season.

interesting views about Tevez and depression. I hope you are right and that is now resolved so it does not keep coming up over and over again. For your sake and for everyone's sanity!

Melon Man said...

Cheers Gabweb,
Sunday was phenomenal, but not great for my blood pressure!
I first thought Tevez was being a money-grabbing whore, but on reflection, that categorization of him just didn't fit, if he wanted more money, City would have gladly stumped up. All the stories in the press since his arrival pointed to a man who found joy in nothing, especially football - a depressive if ever there was one.
I hope he looks after himself, but depression has a habit of coming back with knobs on, so realistically I expect more chaos from him at some point.
Andy Carroll on the other hand can only improve with time and patience. I remember the great Liverpool teams of old buying maybe one decent player a year, and taking almost a full season  to integrate them, not chucking them in at the deep end, and it seemed to work well in those days.
Take the pressure and expectation off him, and he'll come good eventually.

James Woods said...

Stop your dreaming. One man doesn't make a team

BillyDeane09 said...

I agree Liverpool missed out on Jelavic a wonderful player

BillyDeane09 said...

his strike parner Naismith is available too

BillyDeane09 said...

cracking player but because he is from Huddersfield most punters on this website wont entertain him but if he played for a Serie B club and was called Jordano Rhodeo they would want him for sure

BillyDeane09 said...

i thought Stevie G was a one man team

Zico said...

What!!!!! You castigate Suarez on the basis of the word of  Evra and defend Tevez who we all saw refused to play with our own eyes.

The weird and wonderful world of Jamie Kanwar

The Oricle said...

again jaimie you amaze me with the crap you talk. I'd love to know your ideal liverpool squad. The chances are it wouldnt happen in a million years you  need to live in the real world.

Jaimie K said...

Right. So the fact that Man City accepted the PFA's finding that Tevez did NOT refuse to come on against Bayern means nothing to you? Clearly, you don't care about the truth.

Jaimie K said...

Haha. Good one :-) Sad, but true.

sheepfish said...

This isn't news, it was being reported at the time

Mitzsu said...

I completely agree with you re Carroll and Kenny, i suspected that Kenny wanted to off load Carroll at the time which tbh i thought was very poor on his behalf esp considering he didn't seem to want to give the guy a proper run of games...?

Baffling.

Paulaustin said...

not warming up is tantamount to not going on you dick. Tevez admitted to not warming up.

RObert Malin said...

"Man city new bette" I thought it should be 'knew' and not 'new'. Now thats something 'new' to me really. Jaimie go to school again rather than write on pas issues.

Tom Titt said...

Am I missing something?  I don't see how this constitutes 'confirmed' it just seems a reprint of the rumour floating round at the time.

Another 'odd' topic.

Nige said...

I wouldn't have sold Torres in the last minute of the January window in the first place. I would have said he can go in the summer....... Always look to the root of a problem and that was it. Last minute sale of Torres and last minute rush purchase. Newcastle knew we had £50m burning a hole in the bank and exploited our desperation in needing another striker.

Davina said...

We didnt sign him so thank goodness. Its now four months later and this crap is posted. Let our club get a new management team in,instead of reporting this negative stuff.  

Bomber25 said...

Tornike is a Manure fan.

Bomber25 said...

The swap was meant to be between Carroll and Tevez. How does Suarez fit into this situation?

Bomber25 said...

No. In the past Steve G had able deputies around him. Last season, he had duds.

Bryan said...

Hi Jaimie, I have always been amused with your views, opinion and comments.. With King Kenny gone, would you now think Rafa remain to be the manager that came closest to winning us de title and consistently bringing us to CL?Personally, I'd prefer AVB..

Gary352 said...

Who knows the truth but God. All I can say is the truth hurts, and Man City hushed it up IMO. If Tevez was guilty of refusing to play for his club then it would have a negative impact on the media, fans, players and club image. 

Gary352 said...

The world isn't black and white, especially in football. There are a lot of gray areas. No ones perfect. Suarez has made mistakes, we all know that. But he makes up for it through hard work and he has always told fans he would work hard from the minute he signed for Liverpool. 

Tornike Khomeriki said...

That 'hard work' is done only for his team, while the 'mistakes' he made (and still continues to make) were made to others - the opposing players - which you can not rectify by just making your own fans happy.

Many of you don't seem to understand that our problem with Suarez is the one of having a selfish, irresponsible character in this team of great work ethics and moral standards. I don't give a f**k if he's a fantastic player for this club if he is not a decent person for football in general.

DanieRed said...

why do we have muppets like you, who are torn btwn two side, got get their colours, what are you on? KopRed and OriginalChan well said mates

i hate liverpool said...

FOR GODS SAKE,
all of you liverpool fans are idiots, you have a bunch of cheating wa***rs for players, your always up your own ars3s about your club and to be honest none of us give a shit about your jumped up views , why dont you all just "calm down...calm down" and get ready for life in the championship . enough said apart from COYS. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 

Paul French said...

You Make Things Up

Paul French said...

For someone who doesn't give a shit about our Views, what are you doing here you Gobs..te 

David101 said...

yet when it first came about in the press you instantly said no... now you've changed your tune after kenny's gone and carroll stayed. typical jaimie kanwar.

Post a Comment