4/22/2012 03:27:00 pm

Line-Up vs. West Brom: Enrique, Kuyt and Maxi start; Downing dropped...

Steven Gerrard is missing from the Liverpool squad for today's game against West Brom at Anfield, but Andy Carroll retains his place, and Dirk Kuyt starts alongside Maxi and Luis Suarez.

The Liverpool team in full is:

Reina, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Enrique, Spearing, Henderson, Maxi, Kuyt, Carroll, Suarez.

Subs: Doni, Coates, Downing, Carragher, Bellamy, Shelvey, Kelly.

Liverpool legend Mark Lawrenson believes West Brom will be brushed aside with ease:

"Liverpool want to finish their league season strongly, and they want to finish above Everton and I think their luck has changed a bit of late.

"West Brom boss Roy Hodgson is back at Anfield again, of course, and he will no doubt want to show the Liverpool fans what a good job he has done at West Brom. But I cannot see anything other than a comfortable win for Liverpool".


I agree with Lawro - Liverpool should smash West Brom, and I think we could be looking at a high scoring game. Probable formation:

------------------------- Reina

Johnson --------- Skrtel -------- Agger ---------- Enrique

Kuyt ----------- Spearing ------ Henderson --------- Maxi

----------------- Carroll ----- Suarez

OR:

------------------------- Reina

Johnson --------- Skrtel -------- Agger ---------- Enrique

----------------- Spearing ------ Henderson

Kuyt -------------------- Suarez --------------- Maxi

------------------------ Carroll

Jaimie Kanwar






91 Comments :

Tornike Khomeriki said...

Bellamy ignored again? We got to be one of the worst clubs in Europe in terms of man management and rewarding players for their performances.

Hakeem Mills said...

Jamie, before every single home game you say " I think lfc will smash this and that team" and we always end up losing or drawing, could you please wait till the end of game then speak, why you do this? indeed other teams are smashing us at anfield.

Nobs said...

Bellamy is old and has knee problems. Need to preserve him and let him come on in 2nd half where there will be bigger impact. 

Jaimie K said...

I only say that when it's with teams that Liverpool should be beating easily.  I live in hope! 

thered_beard said...

the midfield is very weak, is gerrard injured? figures even with him it would be weak

KB said...

Lets see how Hendo does playing in his proper position. Nice to see Enrique back for proper balance, we can't play Agger at left back. 

Michael Honor said...

Bellamy is being managed by Kenny Tornike, He cant just play all the time anymore, his body cannot handle the strain! 
The first 442 is good set up, henderson finally being put in the midfield and maxi finally starting again.
This is looking very strong for a team without Gerrald, we also have our 1st choice backline back in their which is a massive improvement.

Tornike Khomeriki said...

This 'old' Bellamy has played better this season than all the other 'young' attacking players we have. Please find an excuse for Dalglish's ridiculous management that makes more sense.

Nick said...

don't understand this why did maxi dive take the shot... sigh whatever next half boys need to step it up still we can do still do this

KB said...

Same as usual, created a few chances but can't stick them away. Midfield is looking a bit lightweight. Clinical finisher with pace desperately needed. 

trutherts said...

loool one can only dream

Madness said...

clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, DALGLISH ?

Hawkeye said...

the good thing about the carling cuo and fa cup is that you can still win them when we are relegated next year

Speechless said...

Speechless again ...

Hakeem Mills said...

what did I just say Jamie?! never say that again or you can say it for the opposition team

Nick said...

no surprise x_x.... dalglish please just go your tactics are horrible 68 min sub and why sub maxi for downing, since when has downing performed for the season u think he's going to perform now...argh!!! get out of my club with your horrible buys to... downing, adam, doni, henderson, even carrol go you all are not good enough and will never be good enough 1-0 we had the most attempts and corners finish for christ's sake

Speechless said...

Haha .. Jamie .. all your fault mate .. you jinxed it!! 

z5i4 said...

same old same old

Tron said...

High scoring game lol. LFC hardly score. Another EPIC fail from Lfc

Jaimie K said...

Yes, it seems that way. I'll keep my mouth shut on match days from now on (!)

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DavidK said...

Wow, Kennys all English target man tactics are certainly the way forward... and to think the pittance we paid to get it... HA HA HA !!

So glad we dismantled that free flowing pass and move style we played towards the end of last season.    :(

What rubbish that was.

However we obviously need another English manager...
Whats fat Sam doing ?  HA HA HA !!

Unfortunately for us, this debacle is not down to bad luck...
Its been engineered by the people in charge.
Sad but true.

Gagnauga said...

Very very unluck we didnt score. Carrol had a great game and Hendo is getting better.  Alot of positive things in the game. I dont know what Daglish could have done.

comebackRafa said...

Wigan created 20 clear chances against WBA and scored 1 goal.We create and dont score.A lot of teams create chances and dont score.The King was given £120m on a silver platter and hes bought players who dont score.We dont score cause were not good enough to score,its as simple as that.The players are not good enough to score,like Wigans players who created 20 clear chances against WBA were not good enought o score,we are the same.

Speechless said...

Good tactics? Scouting the opposition, having a game plan A, B and C, and fielding the right players to win the game?

Nick said...

dalglish could of gotten better buys he's the whole reason we are in this mess right now

Kirk Dale said...

We'll keep doing what were doing

Madness said...

Correct, we were the underdogs so as Kenny said we did not do anything drastically wrong.

H8UTD said...

i am tired of this season now. iam tired of the abject displays. i am tired of our  lack of ruthlessness. even with a cup final to go to, i am tired of dispondancy...........i love kd,love him,love him, love him. all  i want  john w henry to do,is ask kd for a list of players he would like to sign next season. if it includes just one british player.....then it is time to go upstairs king kd. your transfer policy is desperately flawed. comolli may have negotiated well over the odds, but you,in your own words, selected those players.you signed. CHARLIE ADAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now you may say, why blame him? he didn't play today? it is an example of his dire player judgement. i have supported him all through this campaign, but now i am tired of the deserved abuse from my mates who follow other teams,such as nooocassle. i am tired of trying to find excuses as to why we have been so sh*t. even if we win the cup, yes i will celebrate, but i will not let people put the paper over the huge crevices that are tearing our team apart. we are shockingly bad, do not make excuses,IT IS THE TRUTH AND I AM TIRED OF IT.

Septimus_severus said...

I'm assuming this is ironic chanting ?

Septimus_severus said...

Well the KENNY SUPPORTERS are determined to give him another season at the expense of the Clubs finances.
I just hope that JW Henry forces DALGLISH OUT  he need to go we are 8th in the league and the FA CUP is not going to paper over the cracks.

I'm scared this will get worse if Dalglish is given another season

Mhafarideh said...

2 words for you:
NIKICA JELAVIC'

H8UTD said...

yeah,great, so what????????? i have 3 words for you.....semi final loser.

Maximum said...

I think we lost cos Charlie Adam wasn't playing.

Charlie Adam is the best player followed by Jamie Carragher.

We are progressing. Next year we will win the league. All you kd haters go support somebody cr@p

H8UTD said...

can you send me a list of the venues you are playing this year. or are you a script writer for alan 'if he is homeless,i will beat him, because i can't take my drink' davies? either way, you are an incredibly un-funny individual.

Mhafarideh said...

oh guess what?
we lose it to chelski eventually

H8UTD said...

enlighten us all?????? do you have an obsession with riddles? or just  suffer with a stutter.?

Kenny is back :) said...

Kenny was given +- 38mil NET since his return if we want to talk about NET spend which was always one of the biggest reasons for defending Rafa. Why is Kenny's TOTAL spend being looked at comebackrafa?

Now everyone wants to talk about total spend which Rafa had +- 300mil of in his time at Anfield. +- 50mil a season over six seasons.

What has happened to net spend now? Let's see, maybe it is because Rafa is not here anymore and should he return (which probably will not happen while FSG are around) then the +- 38mil NET will not be enough cause then NET spend will be the way of defending Rafa again. 

My, my, my.



 

Barraob1 said...

Hopefully lidl or aldi will have a special on strikers this summer at least if they are shit they'll be cheap.

Septimus_severus said...

At this rate statistically we are going to FINISH 9TH or 10TH...we should be SCARED not ANGRY !

Madness said...

... This season is now so bad I dont get angry anymore, I cant help laugh at us...

(and the chanting... hear less and less of that particular chant as the weeks go on... think now its on everyone's minds, every supporter has thought it but maybe not voiced it... the concern is there... but no one wants to do what they were so quick to do with Roy Hodgson... there is not just doubt over Kenny anymore... but for me personally fear that we will spend the next few years in wilderness and not recover... as a club we are slipping away from the elite and joining the mediocre)

Mali341 said...

Its called progress...

H8UTD said...

PROGRESSively worse.

Takelobombbomb said...

Lol you are funny. Kenny was allowed to spend 80 million on one transfer window without selling any players. That is certainly a difference between those two. 

My, my, my

P.S I don't ever recall Benitez to have a net spend as large as 38 mil in one season.

My, my, my

Mali341 said...

Until dalglish goes we will continue to progress

Mali341 said...

Teams like fulham and Villa will be worried because we are starting to threaten their pisitions

Xxcell2010 said...

We can say everything we want but stats don't lie. Threw 30 shots at opponents but failed to win matches has become a regular fixture in LFC. I think mid-to bottom table teams hope to visit anfield for points they need to save themselves from relegation. Gone were the days where anfield was one of the most fearsome stadium to visit, not only ferocious cheering from fans but also awesome football displayed by players.

Some of us may ask for time for KD to gel the team but the fact was that, the players inherited by KD + his new British purchases are not supposed to be mid table standard, they are suppose to be fighting for top 4! Never for once in my life I need to bother about what Fulham, WBA and Sunderland is doing in the league, but I wouldn't say the same for now.

I'm really confused now how Newcastle is 16 points ahead of us after they sold their 'supposed' best players whereas we spent more than 80 mil pounds on new players??? Team sold their best players don't need time to gel with new players whereas team with new expensive purchases need to. What are the constants and variables here?

Gone is this season so let's see what FSG is going to do in the summer. Will they invest another 80-100 mil pounds on new players wanted by KD, spent another few seasons for the present team to gel or invest in another new manager?

Davekernow said...

Another very disappointing result for us, especially as we had so much possession and attempts on goal. It's no good moaning about KD, yes he picks the team but he is not one of the eleven on the field for 90minutes.League form has been crap this season I agree,but with a few minor tweak 's for next year and continuance of at least creating chance's I believe we could have a positive season, surely a lot better than this! , if this is not the case and our situation is no better by say November then probably change's will have to be made.

thered_beard said...

Kenny should be out as soon as, sacked, forced to step down i don't care, he wanted british, he did get british. One guy already lost his job because of that it's Comolli. and i think it was unfairly, he followed what Kenny wanted, and now we are all in sh*t. I was angry at roy last season, but now i detest what is happening even more, it has to end.... I'm not willing to jump ship, but i will not support anyone, right now i am supporting everyone that play's against Liverpool except man u only to get KK relieved out of his managerial position, yes it is has became that bad

Chris E said...

I gotta agree, I find it hard to see how people argue that Liverpool are a team in transition and need time to gel after players left and new ones came, when that same situation applies to Newcastle and, with a far lower spending on players, they got it together from the off and are now looking like getting a top 4 spot (100/1 odds at the start of the season).

If the results don't improve, and I mean immediately, Liverpool could finish in the bottom half of the table, and no cup wins can possibly cover that up as a success of any degree.

Chris said...

how many did Maxi and Kuyt miss? Is that Kenny's fault also?

Mitzsu said...

Same old really, same patteren of play....same players making costly errors....same players firing blanks up front...same problems......

One thing for sure is that these results are becoming very costly for the Club and after each frustrating performance/result the heat on FSG to sort out our issue's is turned up ever more so...

This is probably the most depressing season i can recall, it's one thing playing dull football with very little by way of talent in the side but its quite another thing when you actually create many chances, play well and DO have talented players but still lose.....

This is yet another game/result that i think the players (certain players...) have "gifted" to a lesser side.....we are simply throwing games away IMO..... and all of the debates about what is going wrong etc are futile, its like we have a propaganda war within the Club, one side wants to blame Kenny and his shit buys....and the other side wants Kenny and his signings to be given more time etc...

Some posters don't even watch the game but as soon as the hear the result they start pushing their agenda or banging on their particular drum,  i am at my wits end with this Club tbh, sick and tired of watching the same players pretending to attack the goal but then somehow missing or hitting the woodwork, pretending to protect the goal and then letting them in for fun.....

I keep saying it, we have PROBLEMS within this squad of players.....we have players who ARE sabotaging our season esp in the league.........and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work it out either....its blatant...there is a repeat offenders pattern to it all and what makes it worse is that Kenny's reputation is going down the shitter whilst the players who are and have been doing this are getting away with it......

I am quite honestly disgusted with what i've seen this season from some of our players, Kenny has made mistakes for sure but when certain players are not even working the keeper.......players who are apparently WORLD class.....then we have a much bigger problem than we think.....

A big clear out is needed in the summer, Suarez Reina Kuyt Enrique would be the first on my list NOT because they are not talented enough BUT because this little clique of players have forfeited their right to play for this Club IMO because it is they who are responsible for a lot of the damage caused to our season.....

And it is IMO intentional.... so they should be kicked the fcuk out of the Club, but it won't happen, FSG will no doubt sack Kenny and keep them whilst the shit brits get flogged....fan pressure and all that........just can't see a happy ending to any of this, shocking season, depressingly similar to the last one under Roy.....

Divided we stand....divided we fall....

Mark Whitelaw said...

Am I the only one who saw a mugging?
We absolutely battered West Brom but AGAIN, we couldn't put the ball in the net. Fair enough, some top class defending, good saves and the bloody frame of the goal kept us out again but we need one player who can be ruthless in front of goal. Just one player like this would have had us flying this season with the amount of chances we've made.

Mitzu, Suarez was awesome yesterday, not once did he fall over trying to gain an advantage - the ball he played to Maxi, he won that from an almost horizontal position, nobody tried harder than Suarez yesterday, I think you need to wake up and see what we have in this player - TALENT. All we need is someone to play off him and convert the chances he makes. GET ROBBIE FOWLER BACK! He's fit enough just now and he always knew where the goal was.

Chris said...

i think i must have watched the same game as you Mark. Agree with everything bar the Robbie Fowler part. Love the man but he's a little slow these days

Xxcell2010 said...

Hey dude, I don't quite understand your rationale behind 'clear out Suarez, Reina, Kyut and Enrique' but I respect the fact that everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion.

So may I ask who do you think should come to LFC as replacement for their first team keeper, LB and CF? What kind of players do you think can LFC attract if say they finish between 7th-10th place in the league this season? Do you think KD has done a good job this season, both as motivator and tactician? How about the general performance of the four British players that cost 80 mil pounds? How about the performance of Maxi and Bellamy whenever they were on the pitch? Also maybe you can elaborate a little more on the conspiracy theory of the four players you mentioned for clearing out. Reina here since 05, Kuyt here since 06, Suarez and Enrique newly arrived, a duration whereby they should try to impress everyone in the club, what do they gain as professional soccer players to sabotage LFC? Last but not least, what is a happy ending for LFC?

Mitzsu said...

Yep, i agree that Suarez has talent, i said as much.....

With respect i don't need to wake up....i can see what is happening oin the pitch with these players.....i have watched Reina letting in goals which he could have saved....i have seen Enrique and Jonhson making costly errors....but had it been Carra we would be up in arms.......i've also seen how much energy Suarez has put into running around like a headless striker, running into players....losing the ball...skewing shots....not passing when he should....ditto Enrique....ditto Maxi ditto Kuyt.....

Yet we have been blaming the shit brits.....

IMO our fanbase is as much to blame for our woes as anyone else.......

I am just hoping that FSG will be aware of whats REALLY happening as opposed to what some of these players want us to believe is happening.....

Suarez is a troublemaker IMO, he should be off loaded due to his antics this season as being unbefitting for this Club....he might be talented but so far this season he has NOT helped our cause one bit in the league........and IF we are to judge Kenny by his pefromance this season in the league then surely Saurez along with the foreign clique....should be also.

Mitzsu said...

I tell you what, why don't you just stick to what you know as being correct.....

I wouldn't pay any mind as to what im saying, its just conspiracy talk and clearly doesn't explain our poor results this season at all......

I mean, i bet you could probably give a very good explanantion as to why we have underperformed in the league this season.......

Let me see, probably you'd go with the theory that Kenny is not up to it tactically speaking...maybe not a very good motivator....like perhaps Rafa was....and errm our brit signings have been shite...something like that...???

Zulkifli said...

Kenny has to go at the end of the season whether we win or lose the FA Cup. He's simply clueless.Kenny before the game asked the supporters to lay off Hodgson.....or Hodgson should ask the fans to lay off Kenny.

Chris said...

not sure Kenny is the clueless one

Jay said...

Yes - Dalglish had free reign to mould the team as he saw fit. He decided that these players were good enough to meet the club's objectives. They clearly aren't. The manager is accountable.

Rohit05mehra said...

Surely after 34 league games you should have enough time to sort out any teething or settling in issues. Something is obviously not right coz u cannot keep blaming the woodwork or bad luck. Time has truely run out for excuses and big decisions to be made in the summer by kenny and the owners. Thank god we are still in the fa cup final hey!!!

Chris said...

at Christmas we were in 2 cups and still fighting for a top 4 spot. We've had some bad results this year due to lack of finishing but have played awesome footy at the same time. Yes Kenny has had this so called useless team out playing all opposition bar a handful of games. With a few additions this team has huge potential. Whoever can't see this has no clue what so ever and i wonder if they really watch the games properly. It's pretty sad to see alot of what's written on this site. 

Tom said...

'Jump ship'????? Muppet. That concept is not something that even registers in the brain of a true supporter. Move on to your next fad.

OriginalChan said...

'very very unluck we didnt score' = if this consistently occurs throughout the season, it is simply rubbish finishing. 

If Carroll and/or Suarez had great games, that would include finishing off chance or two at least, as they are strikers, non?

OriginalChan said...

'net spend' is for accountants

OriginalChan said...

'with a few additions'

These additions better be better than some of the cack he brought in.

Wonder if FSG are going to fund the moves for these 'few additions'

FSG would have probably thought after spending so much money since coming in, they wouldn't need to fund big this summer. 

Would be a great show of faith and trust in the 'awesome footy' team if we bought in 'few additions' to potentially replace the likes of Hendo and Downing(!)

Spending big money on two strikers already, one would think we should be burying these chances.

But of course, I am not allowed to have an opinion, as I do not have a clue, nor do I watch games properly eh(!)

Chris said...

can you tell me how many times Liverpool have been outplayed this year with these CACK players?

Redrealist77 said...

Agree. When Kenny signed adam, downing, enrique etc he said these players can gel immediately bcoz they had PL experience. But suddently now he said they need time to gel. Newcastle were better from last season because they replacing their british PL experienced with inexperince foreign players. Aguero, Papiss Cisse & Jelavic dont have PL experience.

Mark Whitelaw said...

He always was slow, Chris, and we don't need pace from a striker if we're camped out in the opponent's penalty area.

Mark Whitelaw said...

Mitzu, the term "Shit Brits" is offensive. I don't know where you're from and, frankly, don't care as you're a LIverpool fan and therefore you're red. But I'm British and getting a bit bored of the anti-British rhetoric from posters on here.
Let's just call them the new guys, eh?

Yes, Reina made a mistake at the goal, as did Johnson and a lot of Suarez runs were futile but, come on, he was head and shoulders above everybody else on the pitch yesterday.

Mitzsu said...

Yes it is offensive, i agree with that, i've said as much on here.....

If you'd been following what i've been saying you would know that...

Its a matter of highlighting a term (which was being used here and elsewhere...) for the sake of exposing the double standards and hypocrisy in our fanbase.....

Suarez can do what he wants....and he gets an awful lot of protection.....ditto Reina Kuyt Lucas etc....but Adam Henderson Carroll and even Downing have been subject to personal abuse IMO and ridicule...???

And thats by our own fans.....

Chris said...

what embarrassing is how quickly fans can turn on their team. Most of these guys are in their early 20's and are expected to be instant world beaters. Expecting far to much to quickly IMO and i'm sure opposing fans are loving this.
This is why everyone loves beating the poms, very bad winners, very bad losers

arebee said...

What a joke Mitzu. How can you say for sure that the shit Brits aren't throwing games either? their performances have been the worst by far. your conspiracy theories are tired and boring. Carroll was bought for 35m and has been terrible. Hendo 20m and ditto. Downing 20m, been the worst of the lot. Adam ( at one time Jaimie's hero) not even worth mentioning. 80 odd million for that dross. If anyone is sabotaging Liverpool its Dalglish with those awful signings.

Mitzu if Caroll gets time to settle in then why not Suarez? how can you criticise Suarez but not Carroll when they have been there the same length of time. In fact all of Carroll, Henderson, ADam and Downing had prior Prem league experience. You criticise Enrique for constant mistakes but never Downing. You are a hypocrite of the highest order.

   

Jaimie K said...

To be fair, Adam cost only 8m, so with that in mind, he has been a good signing, and he's delivered a few goals and a fair few assists. Adam is not the problem.

arebee said...

 Adam can be a good squad player but nowhere near good enough to be in the first team regularly

fathunt said...

what we need is 2 obese cd,will be able block most shots on goal,all you got to do is feed em up,and a goal keeper that can drop his shorts,and catch the ball between the ass crack.job done, come on yanks you have to laugh,its only $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Theycallmemrburt said...

If last night doesn't cement Kenny's job I don't know what will!

We have a chemistry in the side like a race of soon to be extinct pandas who refuse to mate. 

On the bright side Soccer AMs cross bar challenge is well within our grasp....

Mitzsu said...

I have already posted re Carroll on here and my p.o.v was that some of the criticism levelled at him this season has been warranted.......

I don't believe ANYONE should be beyond criticising....even Kenny, don't get me wrong im not saying that Downing Hendo Adam and Carroll have been great signings.....but they are better IMO than they have shown in this current set up....

Which begs the question IF our brit players havn't been all that good season AND most our foreign players havn't been all that either....then WTF is going on...???

Problem is we HAVE shown an improvement in our play....we have on many occasions created more than enough chances to win the game but failed SOMEHOW...to put the ball into the back of the net....

Its the inconsistency.....the fact that we can play well at times very well....but just lack that cutting edge.....but once again that leads to the question of why??? Is it a lack of a quality striker....? We have a WORLD class one in Suarez apparently....so NO, compared to lesser sides we have more quality for sure.....

So what gives??? Why so few goals??? Can't really blame Carroll because he has sat out of many games this season....in fact if you check the stats for us winning games WITH Carroll in the side, they are very favourable.....................

Yet we turn a blind eye when Suarez consistently underperforms.........in fact to speak out against Suarez is akin to blasphemy....

I guess everyone will have their own take or whats going wrong at the Club, my take on it is that this squad has not been united this season....it is a divided squad and not everyone is pulling in the same direction....

The brits can be criticised for not being world class players etc i don't have a problem with that....our standards should be high.....BUT they are not to blame for our woeful season IMO, there are other players who have been just as culpable if not more so.... (depending on which side of the fence your standing...)

Personally i don't doubt the commitment from the brit signings but id definitely question the commitment of some of our other supposedly better players this season......

Billy said...

We hit the woodwork, Carroll falls over, Henderson looks like he's never played football at any level, chances missed, a proven stiker ignored, Carroll misses another golden chance.  Just another Liverpool league performance  Meanwhile two creative midfielders Cole and Aquilani flourish on loan.  For Fucks sake Kenny please see that Carroll will NEVER be a striker and Henderson isn't fit for Sunday League level.  I've never been so happy to see the end of a season and dreading the next one.

arebee said...

 Your last line sums it all up. You are xenophobic. How can you not doubt the commitment of the Brit signings but question the foreigners, on what do you base this? Downing and Henderson, closely followed by Carroll have been our 3 most under performing players of the season. Like it or not, the money spent on them does matter. Andy Carroll has featured in 32 of our 34 prem games this season yet you say 'can't really blame carroll'.

Every game we see Carroll walking around the field looking liek he couldn't be bothered yet you dont doubt his commitment. At the very least, Suarez tries hard. No knowledgeable football fan would ever even try compare these two players.

 I don't believe that you believe that what you are writing is the truth

Theycallmemrburt said...

You really need to take a stance and follow it through.  I have seen you argue for and against every opinion in the last few months.  Just when I think I've got you figured out you go chameleon and blend whole heatedly into an argument that 100% apposes what you have written a few days prior.

Chris said...

Didn't think I'd get a reply

gabweb said...

Agree, these results are so inevitable now it has got beyond a joke. Its all been said before and the same old excuses are coming out from the manager. He doesn't seem to know what has gone wrong.

gabweb said...

Here's a reply, Fulham are on the same number of points as us. Everything else is simply hot air and excuses.

Mitzsu said...

My view is not based on some xenophobic standpoint, i could easily argue that there is an anti-brit sentiment, hence the "shit birits" comments....

But its not as straightforward as that, believe it or not i would be happy with an entire team of foreign players IF i thought they had the right ability etc, right understanding of the Club, its history and what it means to be playing for said Club...

You talk about Carroll as as just walking around etc well, that was a criticism of him that i could not defend but it was earlier on in the season and it seemed like he was struggling mentality with his own frustrations etc about not being played regularly....

He has been improving for some time now, his efforts and work rate are much better, his confidence in himself seems to be improving also....afterall he is still young mentally and the team has not exactly been firing on all cylinders.....the service to him playing up front alone was worful.....we were mainly hoofing the ball up to him and i don't think he was getting much support..........

You say im xenophobic, but Skrtel IMO has been one of our best players this season....Agger has also at times this season been immense.....my affection for players like Hamann, Alonso, Garcia to name but a few is without question still as strong now as it was then......

If i believe a player has played poorly no matter what his nationality etc i will note the performance as being a poor one, yes Carroll has had some poor performances, Adam also ditto Downing and Hendo....

BUT, thats only HALF the story IMO, there are others who we should also be demanding more from peformance wise.....

It is those players who i believe are getting away pretty much scot free because of who they are......i.e. a big name at the Club so therefore an "untouchable", we are quick to round on even Gerrard when he doesn't turn a game for us but what of Suarez??? What about Reina??? etc.........

Some perspective is needed IMHO, thats all, nothing xenophobic about wanting that....is there?

Mitzsu said...

Sorry, but what do you mean? I have a stance already....it involves looking at the mess that is our season and trying damn hard to fathom what it is exactly that is holding us back.......

IF your referring to my comments re Kenny etc standing down, well, my reasoning for that is that i believed the situation for him as manager is unworkable....much like it was for AVB at Chelsea......

IF he is not capable of uniting the players etc and bringing the best out the squad then it leaves the Club and supporters...little choice but to want him to step down.......

If you asked me if i still want it to work for Kenny i would say yes, BUT i don't see how that is possible as things stand......

I guess it will be up to FSG.....if Kenny doesn't stand down and they sack him i would understand there reasoning, i wouldn't blame them........

I know who i would blame though......

OriginalChan said...

Sorry, I didn't realise there was a expiry date on replies(!)
Its the results that matter, first and foremost. I couldn't give a monkeys about 'outplaying' teams in the form we are in. This is no temporary blip, it has been going on for ages. Mentality and results come before 'style'. I wonder how many other teams would play good stylish football, if they had the luxury of having to put aside results... You can have both of course but without the results, it means bugger all, the style.The league table doesn't lie. There is a certain considerable amount of 'cack'-ness to our team for a club of our so-called stature, as illustrated by our league position.People moan about Arsenal outplaying teams and not getting anywhere with it in the past, in relation to a proper title challenge but still finish in top 4 regular like clockwork. And yet here you are trying to get excited about us outplaying teams when we are languishing in midtable mediocrity.

Chris said...

It just blows me away that you can't see not alot needs to change to turn these performances into victories.
Let's sell all who have not performed to your expectation immediately and get fk all return. Let's buy a new squad appoint a new manager and cross our fingers that's it's an instant success as you demand.
A chance for 2 cups, back in Europe, I couldn't care if we finish 17th this season now.
I can see with an addition here and there we have some exciting years ahead. Please look past your nose & don't sell the farm to early

arebee said...

 Unfortunately when Carroll is in the side you will always see hoof-ball. He is technically inept and not suited to other styles.

Any excuses for Carroll with regard to team performances not being up to scratch apply to everyone else too. The reason Carroll has had such poor service is due to the poor performances of those that were brought to provide the service. These players for the most part just happen to be Brittish, nothing to get defensive about. Please tell me which players have gotten off scott-free? Kuyt will be moved on in the summer in large part due to his performances this season. Maxi does not deserve to be criticised. As you say, Skrtel and Agger have been good. Lucas was excellent until his injury.

This team is 3 or 4 good players away from being very good. With the moeny spent in the summer, we had the chance, kenny blew it

Rohit05mehra said...

Downing will be 28 this year 10 years of premiership experience, small fish in a big pond. Hence why none of the top 4 ever showed any interest in him. Very very average at best. Poor poor signing by kenny for such a large fee who tends to hide behind other players. Cannot take on players, cannot score to save his life. NO EXCUSES!!!

H8UTD said...

if we accept sh*t like adam, then please turn the lights out before you lock up. never,never,never,never,accept a 500K rated player like him. we are going back to the souness era,such as kosma and stewart. no,no,no,no,no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OriginalChan said...

Instead of huffing and puffing, I'll let time do its thing and illustrate how 'cack' or good these players are. They have have had time so far, not much but still time. They aren't off to a great start and even before the start, it was baffling the money spent on them. But like I say, instead of, whilst on a pathetic high horse, telling people they haven't got a clue or don't watch games properly, etc, and all that kind of 'big ego' nonsense, I'll let time do its thing. Cheerio

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