Former Liverpool striker Stan Collymore has slammed the small minority of fans who called for Kenny Dalglish's head after the recent 3-1 home defeat to Bolton.
In his column for The People, Collymore - who was on the bench when Liverpool beat Dalglish's Newcastle team 4-3 in 1997 - argued:
"It was strange to hear Kenny getting flak from a section of fans in the wake of that defeat at Bolton last weekend.
"Some people need to be careful what they wish for because a change of manager is the last thing Liverpool need right now.
"He is the right man, in the right place, at the right time, as this great club bids to find its feet again".
Despite that strong support, Collymore acknowledged that Kenny had made mistakes, especially over the handling of the Luis Suarez-Patrice Evra incident:
"He [Dalglish] was wrong with the stance he took over the Luis Suarez affair and nobody should have been wearing T-shirts supporting the striker.
"Still, everybody makes mistakes, and as far as I am concerned, Dalglish is one of the few Liverpool faces that reminds everyone of the club’s success, and that in itself can inspire greatness".
Liverpool have a trip to Wembley to look forward to in February, and Collymore believes the club is finally getting back to where it belongs:
"Wembley used to be Liverpool’s second home and it needs to become that way again, and with Kenny Dalglish at the helm, I believe it’s possible".
Jaimie Kanwar
In his column for The People, Collymore - who was on the bench when Liverpool beat Dalglish's Newcastle team 4-3 in 1997 - argued:
"It was strange to hear Kenny getting flak from a section of fans in the wake of that defeat at Bolton last weekend.
"Some people need to be careful what they wish for because a change of manager is the last thing Liverpool need right now.
"He is the right man, in the right place, at the right time, as this great club bids to find its feet again".
Despite that strong support, Collymore acknowledged that Kenny had made mistakes, especially over the handling of the Luis Suarez-Patrice Evra incident:
"He [Dalglish] was wrong with the stance he took over the Luis Suarez affair and nobody should have been wearing T-shirts supporting the striker.
"Still, everybody makes mistakes, and as far as I am concerned, Dalglish is one of the few Liverpool faces that reminds everyone of the club’s success, and that in itself can inspire greatness".
Liverpool have a trip to Wembley to look forward to in February, and Collymore believes the club is finally getting back to where it belongs:
"Wembley used to be Liverpool’s second home and it needs to become that way again, and with Kenny Dalglish at the helm, I believe it’s possible".
Jaimie Kanwar
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28 Comments :
isn't it Kevin Keegan's team?
Dalglish took over Newcastle in January 1997; The game in question was in March '97. Keegan was in charge for the 4-3 the previous year.
Collymore is another face in the group of people who are wrong to judge Dalglish's work by reaching Wembley.
I was reading the article thinking that it was odd to read quotes from this clown that don't make an opportunist reference to anti-racism and then I got to the bit about the Suarez teeshirts.
Until he can utter an original sentiment not based around attempting to preach from some ugly, hypocritical moral high-ground, then Collymore merely deserves to be ignored. He's a nobody.
Hypocritical moral highground? Did Kenny not say after the Wigan game that the FA should do something about fans at away grounds abusing Luis Suarez?. But yesterday told a reporter that it was just a bit of banter when Liverpool fans booed Evra. Talk about double standards.
Is Kenny preaching from a hypocritical moral highground? maybe not. But saying the FA should do something about Suarez getting stick at away grounds but yesterdays booing of Evra was just banter at least leaves him open to the charge of double standards.
Assuming you are stating the facts right, seems like a double standard by Kenny.
The UK media handling of the Suarez and Terry cases is a double standard par exellence.
The FA treatment of the Suarez case is full of double standards (enough has been written on the subject).
And I think treating cases of double standards with a double standard is not to be embraced. So I agree that we need to disagree with KK's double standrad :)
I prefer not to remember Dalglish's reign :(
i never mentioned the other cases of supposed double standards that you quoted, so I dont know quite what your point is as far my my comment goes. I did mention Kennys potential double standard, so if you you care to defend him on this point then go ahead. Theres nothing to disagree about, he wanted the FA to do something about the treatment of Suarez at away grounds but says the Liverpool fans booing Evra was a bit of banter, thats double standards. And you might find that the media are treading carefully in the Terry case because there is a legal case about to start. The time to judge the media is when the verdict is reached. If he is found guilty and the media still do not report on it as much as the Suarez case then you will have point. Until then your accusations might be premature.
As to me getting my facts right, read this
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/8976550/Liverpool-manager-Kenny-Dalglish-calls-for-FA-to-act-over-fans-abuse-of-Luis-Suarez.html
My point was in relation to Collymore, not Dalglish. Collymore always has a comment when there's a hint of racial controversy and his point always seems to be myopic, hasty and overly-outraged, with a sad undertone that suggests he only says these things in an effort to stay in the public eye. It's his job I suppose but the football community doesn't need yet another uneducated sensationalist.
I agree with you about Kenny however. But 'double standards' has been rife from every party involved in that whole sorry racism affair. Nobody has come out of it looking anything other than pathetic.
Liverpool players were right to wear a support Suarez t-shirt.As simpe as that.It is in our opinion that it was wrong but to us it was right
my point was that there are various cases of double standards and we should not have double standards in treating them. as we condemn cases of double standards against us (our players, our club, us as fans), we should also not support when someone related to the club, even KK, uses a double standard. i.e., i have genuinely agreed we should not defend KK if he uses a double standard .
as to how the media mishandled the Suarez case, there is profesionally drafted article: http://newsframes.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/media-on-racism-framing/.
as to how the media described the big, brave lion (this ex or present England captain, excuse my ignorance of this fact) as almost heroic in the way he dealt with his situation yesterday or how his biography co-writer (and journalist) defends him publicly (and writes against Suarez), you can find references yourself even in this morning's papers. compare this to Suarez's being put on trial by the media ahead of the verdict... let's not even comment on the newspapers headlines quite contrary to even the biased FA report.
and now the mindless attacks against the club/supporters as being racist?!http://tomkinstimes.com/2012/01/united-we-stand-united-they-fall/
so to clarify: I have not mentioned or implied that you have mentioned my other examples of double standards -- I agreed with your point in principle, put it into a broader perspective and made a point about disagreeing with double standards, though they may be abundant in a specific context.
Boos aren't words, my friend. Abuse involves actually constructing sentences intended to insult. So yes. There IS a difference!
Boos aren't words, my friend. Abuse involves actually constructing sentences intended to insult. So yes. There IS a difference!
yes, Liverpool players were right to wear the t-shirts as this showed their support of someone who has not been given a fair treatment. wearing the shirts does NOT mean the players accept or support racism as has been wrongly implied by some, if not most, of those disagreeing with this mere act of support.
Well, for all you people saying that the club were right to support Suarez in the way they did, don't any of you find it disturbing that racist abuse has occured in our last two cup games? You are all so quick to tow the party line you ignore the fact that people are getting abused and have very little to say about it. Liverpool and Chelsea's attitude to what has gone on has been irresponsible and it is sad to see the alleged victims getting the abuse they have been getting. This has put the fight against this behaviour back and, in future, when there has been abuse, our behaviour, and Chelsea's, will make it less likely that players will complain about the treatment they receive, for fear that it will only make things worse. The sad thing about it is that most of the t shirt supporting brigade don't care about that and really do not care whether Suarez or Terry are guilty or not. Whatever the truth is behind these two cases, the reaction of supporters will mean that people will be nervous about reporting future incidents because of all the neanderthals and their apologists who attend matches. And Kenny's comments about Evra were stupid in the extreme. Not only were they ignorant but they will ensure that Suarez really does get it now.
Don't you, in turn, find it even more sad that we had zero arrests for racist behaviour at Anfield and zero reports of racist incidents at the stadium in the last calendar year until the FA released that somewhat one-sided report?
I don't condone any of this but by not handling the situation with the sensitivity and class that it deserved, it put doubts in the minds of a few idiots who lack any kind of wit or intelligence and it's helped to provoke this nonsense. It's basically like when you tell a child not to do something - he'll do it until he learns his lesson. By making such a ridiculous example of Suarez having to be 'educated', the FA haven't taken into account the minority of fucktards who need similar enlightening. And now they're making themselves known to us all.
Sadly though, I don't think any of this is what Jaimie had in mind when he wrote this article...
I would just like to say this though - ALL abuse is bad. I'm sick of this idea that racist abuse is worse for some reason because it incites hatred. The modern football supporter seems to know only 'hate'.
When these people are being called a 'black c**t', surely the FACT that they're black should not be taken as the insult here - it should be the 'c**t' aspect, no? The point is that it's ALL derogatory. And as a result, it should ALL be similarly punished. The Respect campaign in itself categorises people into the colour of their skin. Until it starts treating everyone the same and attempts to eradicate the core of the abuse and hatred, then idiots will always shout the usual mindless and offensive bollocks.
Fair enough Alex, I originally misunderstood your point, so apologies there. As for the John Terry case or the media mishandling of the Suarez case, I have nothing to say becuase it is toatally irrelevent to my point, and to be honest I know next to nothing about it.
I was respondind to a comment that basically accused Stan Collymore of hypocrisy. So my point is that Kenny has potentially been guilty of the same thing. The media source I quoted reported the words of Kenny in regards to the FA protecting Suarez from abusive away fans. But when it happens to Evra its just banter.
I know you are aware of this and in principle agree, but Im just restating my original point so as to clarify my position. The other points you make could be quite valid, but they dont change the logic of my original comment.
Do you not think that Kenny would be better of not commenting or responding to questions on the topic again?. Its not doing Liverpool or Suarez any favours IMO.
So the songs they sang contained no words? Yes I used the word boo in my original comment but you get the point I was making. Kenny was worried about the reaction Suarez was getting at away grounds, but doesnt really care about Evra. There actually appears to be Liverpool fans out there who think the club, the player and the fans are totally guilt free in all this and that Evra is completley to blame. Bottom line is this, and I dont mean to offend anyone with these words, but its the club first, everything else second, no matter what it costs. Some people must know deep down that Liverpool have done poorly in handling this case, but one eyed tribalism will not allow them to admit it. Thats not how justice works my friends. You dont abuse the person who was the victim in all this. And wether Liverpool fans are prepared to admit it or not, thats what the rest of the country see Evra as, the victim. Does that not tell you something?
Right for the people who do not go the game, when you do go, get a seat in the front of section 108 in the kop. Please listen to the abuse the opposition corner taker gets from the fans. I have heard elderly gentlemen call ryan giggs a welsh c**t when he took a throw in. for the people who are saying the boos are bad, do you go the game?? If you dont like it then dont go in the kop thats if you want a rigid PC culture. My season ticket is in section 205 in the kop, and I have heared every type of slur you will ever want to know. I dont agree with some of it, especially the racist stuff but that is a football match. in the ground thier is a shit load of people from different backgrounds all pumped up wanting their team to batter the other. I remember standing in the kop and my mate got up on the terrace to start a song off, the whole kop ended up singing at him, singing, 'you fat bastard. you fat bastard'. A the end of the day, some poeple watch football and some people live it. booing fotballers and opposition is part of the game, i remember singing posh becks takes it up the a*** along with another 15000 fans once, i am sure thats worse than a little booooo!!! the days of waving bananas and singing 'munich 58 are behind us. But to suggest that you will silence the crowd from booing or airing their discintent is simple wanting bit to much.
If anybody was overreacting just to the loss to Bolton, then they were clearly well in the wrong, just as our those that are going on about the victories over the Mancs in the cups.
The simple fact is that top 4 has to be the minimum standard for the club. And midway through the season we are standing in 7th.
Thanks for clarifying; we are in agreement.
As to your question: honesty, I am not sure whether Kenny could or should duck now... as the saying goes
when the going gets tough, the tough get going. And this is what I believe Kenny is doing.
However, I would agree that "the us vs them all" type of communication is far from being ideal as any example of doubl standards (which is related to the "us vs them". That said, I also recognize that it is so much easier to give advice from one's desk as compared to being on the spot.
And wrong are also those who think that the Bolton game was the only low point one can mention for the season so far. It was merely a latest and effective confirmation of our troubles against mid-and-low table teams.
Yes mate. It does.
Agree, it is all derogatory, but, then, why do people not call John Terry a white c**t? Because adding the obvious does not multiply the insult in their mind. With people like Terry, they will move on to his character, still not very nice but a bit more objective than using black, ginger, fat, etc, as a way to increase the abuse.
And now, because of how we handled this, there will be a term for Suarez, and I wonder if he will be able to handle it and if Kenny will call it innocent banter?
I don't condone any of the other poison coming out of the stands at all and i think it is a good start when people start asking when it became ok for people to shower players, refs and managers with such hatred, game after game. It is a bigger topic than just football, and everyone is doing it. But i wouldn't try to condone one because the other is going on and i don't think it is right to place the blame on the verdict of a case, which our club reacted badly to, for a couple of people feeling bold enough to take us back to the stone age.
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