There are many reasons to be positive about Liverpool FC at the moment, and one of them is the goalscoring form of David N'Gog. This season, he has proved that if you start him in a game, he will invariably score or create a goal. And as I will illustrate, not even Fernando Torres can keep up with N'Gog in the goalscoring stakes this season.
Let's look at the facts:
* N'Gog - 8 goals and 1 assist in 12 starts this season
* Torres - 5 goals and 2 assists in 15 starts this season
Stats: Soccernet
That equates to N'Gog scoring a creating a goal in 75% of starts. Conversely, in 10 substitute appearances, N'Gog has not scored a single goal.
With this in mind, surely it is common sense to start N'Gog in as many games as possible at the moment? The manager's job is to get the best out of his players, and to use them in the most effective manner; if N'Gog is having a specific, measurable creative impact on the team in 75% of starts then surely the club needs to capitalise on this by starting him more often? Why continue to use him as a sub when he offers nothing coming off the bench?
Credit must go to Rafa Benitez for signing N'Gog, but like other young players at the club, he has flourished under Hodgson. Last season, Ngog scored 8 goals all season; this year, he has scored 8 goals after only 4 months.
I am not for one minute suggesting that N'Gog is on the same level as Torres (!); I'm merely showing that this season, N'Gog has scored more goals that Torres in less starts. Whatever way you slice it, that is a excellent contribution, and Liverpool should try and capitalise on it by (IMO) playing Torres and N'Gog together whenever possible over the next few months.
Jaimie Kanwar
Let's look at the facts:
* N'Gog - 8 goals and 1 assist in 12 starts this season
* Torres - 5 goals and 2 assists in 15 starts this season
Stats: Soccernet
That equates to N'Gog scoring a creating a goal in 75% of starts. Conversely, in 10 substitute appearances, N'Gog has not scored a single goal.
With this in mind, surely it is common sense to start N'Gog in as many games as possible at the moment? The manager's job is to get the best out of his players, and to use them in the most effective manner; if N'Gog is having a specific, measurable creative impact on the team in 75% of starts then surely the club needs to capitalise on this by starting him more often? Why continue to use him as a sub when he offers nothing coming off the bench?
Credit must go to Rafa Benitez for signing N'Gog, but like other young players at the club, he has flourished under Hodgson. Last season, Ngog scored 8 goals all season; this year, he has scored 8 goals after only 4 months.
I am not for one minute suggesting that N'Gog is on the same level as Torres (!); I'm merely showing that this season, N'Gog has scored more goals that Torres in less starts. Whatever way you slice it, that is a excellent contribution, and Liverpool should try and capitalise on it by (IMO) playing Torres and N'Gog together whenever possible over the next few months.
Jaimie Kanwar
always rated him highly, probably needs to get a bit stronger. Torres seems to enjoy him being up there with him.
ReplyDeleteJaimie,
ReplyDeleteAre you questioning the manager's tactics so far this season?
Do you know that's not allowed?
N'Gog has played against the garbage sides in the qualification for the Europa League and hasn't been in the starting eleven against some of the sterner opposition we've faced.
ReplyDeleteThere is no question which striker is better or that we need more than just N'Gog as backup.
Stats tell misleading lies...and this is one of them.
I love Ngog but his goals have all come in Europa League games against really poor opposition. I hope he can carry on his goalscoring exploits in the Premier League as i really do think he has what it takes to get to the very top. He has pace, strength, height, good ability and a knack for scoring goals. He could end up saving us £20mil.
ReplyDeleteId rather us buy a decent LB and a decent RB and push Johnson into a RM position. That way Kuyt can compete with Ngog/Babel to start alongside Torres.
Ngog has been great this season when given the chance, missed a sitter or two but hey who doesn't, I think Torres has reasons for not being on top of his game, injuries etc...I have a theory...out of all the players who break thru into first team football at the age of 16-19 can u think of any that in later years that have not had serious injury records...Achilles ACL ICL and hamstring injuries, I can't think of any player who broke thru early that have not had these problems, I recently read that in his career Torres has only played 60 matches less than didier Drogba, I find this amazing considering he's 5 years younger...
ReplyDeleteAnd also if I may can I pick a hole in you're measurable creative impact stats u like to use? Yes the stats are there and correct, however I don't think they can tell the whole story of a player, let's use an example....winger A beats his full everytime he gets the ball, in the match he delivers 5 great crosses into the box...striker b missed 2 sitters goalkeeper c makes 3 world class saves... Winger A walks off after 90 minutes having played an amazing game, yet has no goals or assists to his name, this however does not mean winger A has had no creative impact on the game does it? Yes stats can be used to prove points but numbers alone do not define a player, there are no stats for players movement who pull others out of position creating space for his teammates, the stats u use can be very informative but they no where near tell the whole story
And the lame excuses begin. The article is not about N'Gog, so stop talking is better than Torres, or can't you read? And the stats are not lies, they are FACT, so stop talking rubbish. If the stats are lies, then prove it.
ReplyDeleteHe is really showing some good form. I find him still a bit too hit or miss for me though.
ReplyDeleteI would say start him with Torres this weekend, maybe find a place for Babel as well
given his age and how much he cost, some will disagree, but for me ngog was Rafa's best signing. Bang for buck £1.5m, 21 he really is top draw. I think he has played really well, year on year - giving Roy something to think about. I really do rate him. Like you say Jamie - he's not a Torres - but doing a great job in catching up for a young guy.
ReplyDeleteI honestly think that Bable and Ngog in a 4-4-2 is better than Torres - like Gerrard i think the lads look to them and think whats the point - they get the plaudits they will work their magic and the team only give 50%
remove Torres and Gerrard - all of a sudden we look like a team who work hard for one another. from back to front, we look more like a team and less like a team of people who rely on "give it Stevie he'll do somet.... or lump it to fernando he'll do somet"
i think Roy needs to play Nando and Stevie off him with Bable on the left with Maxi on the right.
im drifting - Ngog -great player, great lad, right attitude and loves the club - doing well under roy. great to see.
Agreed. Some parts of his game still need work but the improvement is there for all to see and comes from having a 1st class attitude. Could be a very good player for us in time.
ReplyDeleteI'd much rather have someone like Ngog as backup/partner when needed for Torres than a 30yr old "big name" or journeyman striker who's at Liverpool to pick up a nice juicy pay packet.
Scott - you missed out 'specific' from the 'measurable impact' line. I don't dispute that the stats don't tell the full story, but when objectively assessing the creative impact of a player you have to use objective facts. When it comes to specific, measurable impact of a striker, you look at overall creative contribution, i.e. goals and assists. These are objective facts. If someone wants to trawl though match videos and assess every aspect of N'Gog's performance then let them do it. I am only interested in objective facts that define the role of a striker. And the main role of a striker is to scrore goals.
ReplyDeleteAs an example, when we discuss Ian Rush, what is the very first stat we look at? Goals scored vs. games player. It's the same for every striker; and when we discuss Rush, Fowler, Dalglish et al, we don't start saying things like 'Well, Rushie had 32 headers on goal in the 1985-86 season'. So why do we have to do that now when assessing players?
It's just a way for people to argue against objective stats.
I'd much rather have someone like Ngog as backup/partner when needed for Torres than a 30yr old "big name" or journeyman striker who's at Liverpool to pick up a nice juicy pay packet<span></span><span></span>
ReplyDeleteLike Joe Cole you mean? ;)
Questioning Hodgson's tactics is allowed, and should happen. I've never argued otherwise. Calling for him to be sacked is wrong, and that's what I've argued against.
ReplyDeleteQuestioning Hodgson's tactics is allowed, and should happen. I've never argued otherwise. Calling for him to be sacked is wrong, and that's what I've argued against.
ReplyDeleteTorres has more than one assist this season. Where do you get your facts from?
ReplyDeleteHe got two assists in the Utd away game alone.
great post scott. Jamie, i really like hearing your opinion on most topics. From a personal point of view, i think you over-use stats and this ultimately undermines some of your articles. But i think you know what you are talking about and would love to hear just your opinion on a whole range of topics, Dont get me wrong, i appreciate the considerable effort that goes into collating these stats, all of which are very accurate.
ReplyDeleteAs for Scott's post - i completely agree. an even clearer example can be found with our recent 3-2 defeat at Old Trafford. Torres struggles considerably up-front on his own, easily being marked by Utd's 2 CB's ont he day. N'gog came off the bench and if you look at the award of the penalty, it is created because N'gog ran off the ball 1 way, taking 1 CB with him, allowing Torres to face face just 1 CB and as a result was able to turn his man and win the penalty. No assist there for N'gog but he had a huge part to play in that goal, but the stats will not show that. I think that is the point myself and Scott are eluding to here.
P.S - if i was being really ahrsh, i would say that Torres could well be creditied with both assists for Gerrard's goals in that same game, seeing as he won the penalty and the free-kick which leads to goals. For me, an assist should be a significant contribution to a goal and not just the final pass/cross for a goal as iss ometimes believed.
But all in all i agree with you Jamie. N'gog has done well this season and should be afforded more starting opportunities up-front alongside Torres. It hink they work well as a pair and both seem happier in a front 2.
<p><span>Ngog <span> </span>1 Villa</span>
ReplyDelete</p><p><span>1 </span><span><span>Northampton</span></span>
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Please don't start me on Cole. His whole career has been potential and hype without ever having come close to living up to it. So far he's talked a good game but that's about it. I was baffled by the amount of people that were so excited by his signing.
ReplyDeleteWith any luck Harry Redknapp will take him of our hands in the summer.
Mediocre french player who has scored the odd goal here and there. Very poor in general play and mediocre technically. Like kuyt his first touch is a tackle, he's a game lad who#s done reasonably well for the price we paid for him but like a lot of the dross at the club not the type of player or quality to take us back to the top
ReplyDeleteI got the stats from Soccernet's stats database and LFC history.net. In the United game, Torres was fouled for the penalty and fouled again for the free kick from which Gerrard scored the equaliser. These are not classed as assists, nor should they be in my view. For me, assists take place from open play, and lead directly to a player scoring.
ReplyDeleteSimple Jaimie, just breakdown the Stats and compared PL to PL starts. I bet the Stats would be different
ReplyDeleteHey Jaimie, good article, I don't see where people are coming from with the whole Torres is better than N'Gog thing, of course he is and you stated that you were not questioning this during the course of your article. I agree with one poster that says that we can not rely on solely N'Gog as our back up striker, although if Kuyt and Jovanovic were to be called back up then it looks slightly better. I feel we still do need another striker of at least proven level, not world class as some suggest because quite simply I do not think we will be able to go after anyone who is "world class" in January as every club would be trying to hold on to their assets.
ReplyDeleteN'Gog has been in rich form as of late and it is credit in part to Benitez for playing him as a lone striker last year because that has toughened him up for what is coming now and his link up play at times is looking very good, for all the people putting him down they have to remember he is still only 21 and will go on to improve even more given more chances which he seems to be getting under Hodgson.
I am hoping that with him and Torres playing together more often we will see Nando get back to form as with N'Gog putting in the goals and performances that he has been (long may it continue) more defenders will be drawn to him and therefore there will be more space to exploit for our other attacking players. 442 seems to be working quite well for us given the players we have now and I hope when Steven Gerrard comes back we will see it continue with him put on the right of midfield instead of ruining the Lucas-Miereles partnership that is flourishing.
YNWA
Torres has more than 1 assist. I can remember he set up Gerrards against Sunderland and Maxi's against Bolton. I'm sure he has more as well
ReplyDeleteI'm not really talking about ngog and his recent displays I agree he's been great this term, I know those stats are ultimately used all over the place, and I'm not saying that every players performance should be analysed totally, but merely stating that they don't tell the whole story, like I say a winger can't be helped if the strikers miss a sitter, and is in fact why I think you're sometimes over critical of Johnson, but I think that's a debate for a different day(though I agree with u regarding his defensive frailties)
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He has 2 assists (as the article states), and every reputable source I've checked supports this.
ReplyDeleten'gog scored on opening day vs arsenal. give the lad some credit.
ReplyDeletei dont see how you cane exclude his 'assists' against Utd. I dont want this to overhsahddow the point of your article because the article is about N'gog and not Torres and i completely get and agree with that......But i would have to argue that an assist should be counted for a varaiety of reasons........Torres winning the penalty in particular has to be an assist surely? Without that significant contribution Gerrard doesn't score.
ReplyDeleteJust a quick note, in fantasy football games, even the premier leagues official fantasy football game, the player who wins the free-kick\penalty is credited with the assist...
ReplyDeleteJust a quick note, in fantasy football games, even the premier leagues official fantasy football game, the player who wins the free-kick\penalty is credited with the assist...
ReplyDeleteSureley he set up both Gerrard's and Kuyt's goals against Sunderland as well as Maxi's against Bolton?
ReplyDeleteThe cross for Gerrard and the square pass following Tunrners 'free-kick' for Kuyt's tap-in as well as the flick for Maxi?
I would much rather have Babel playing alongside Torres. Ngog has the ability to lose the ball no matter where he is on the pitch, with the majority of his grafting being done to try and just maintain control of the ball. In recent games Babel has shown that he is up to the task of playing alongside a strike partner, and should he be given the same amount of gametime that Ngog's had, I'm sure that he would prove much more effective. Ngog HAS been scoring though, but is that just from his own abilities, or the team playing well to put give him those chances?
ReplyDeleteI would have to agree with you on this on Jamie,Ngog have shown that he is a great asset to the team espicially in time when Torres seemingly uninterested to play for us this season .His away record have been awful and his attitude in matches is rather dissapointing.I don't know if this is because he wants to leave or what but I cerainly miss our El Nino.If he wants to leave ,I say let him go as no player is bigger than Liverpool FC and hopefully we can use the money to invest on young players that's actually have the desire to play for us.
ReplyDeleteAlso based on the Villa game,there is encouraging signs from the Babel and Ngog partnership.Maybe if we gave this a chance,we may yet salvage some dignity this season.
YNWA
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ReplyDeletenot sure if u have realised jamied but in the past few games roy has played a 4-4-2 with torres and ngog upfront so not sure what you mean by "continuing using him as a sub"
ReplyDeleteGood afternoon Jaimie.
ReplyDeleteLFC is indeed in a great position. This is due to the sterling work carried out by the previous manager and his staff and notably on the commercial side Ian Ayre. It would be in a lot better position had Messrs Hicks and Gillett not undermined the manager and siphoned £50m a year out of his budget, and then not sacked him and appointed Woeful Roy. H&G would be in a better position themselves if it were not for them appointing Purslow, Ayre and Broughton.
Ngog is a good player because as a striker he scores goals, has a decent strike rate and works hard, often in a lone role. His pace also causes problems when played in a 4-4-2. He is young and has progressed well, adding strength, skill, intelligence and confidence to his game and of course he was cheap. As you showed last week with your brilliant economy analysis, if Ngog had only scored 2 goals for LFC then he would be better value than Joe Cole.
Of course the more intelligent amongst us have been saying this all along, especially last year when he had a similar game and goals per game rate. Many others however could not see beyond his raw gangly style and used him and Lucas as a stick with which to beat Rafa. Both of these players could have been used more by Hodgson this season, with Ngog starting off well, becoming top scorer and then being inexplicably dropped in favour of defensive football. Lucas didn't get much game time at all at the start when it was obvious he was the only central midfielder at the club with the knowledge of the club and the league, instead Roy opted for the over-rated, unfit, unadjusted and over-the-hill Poulsen with disasterous effect, results only picking up when Lucas was recalled.
Ngog, Lucas, Reina, Pacheco, Torres - etc - these players make LFC what they are at the minute. Rafa and his team found them and developed them. Roy has done little or nothing to improve them or give them more opportunities, often isolating and disillusioning them because he prefers ageing average players like Konchesky. What has Roy done for Jack Robinson or Chris Mavinga? Nothing.
What has he done to Lauri Dalla Valle and Alex Kacaniclic? Sold them in exchange for Koncesky.
Liverpool, its players and fans are in a bad position thanks to Roy, not Rafa.
No, they are not assists. No one counts them as assists except you.
ReplyDeleteI don't think NGOG has the desire for the physical side of the game in the PREM and that is his biggest downfall. As has been seen with proven quality strikers ie morientes you can have all the ability you want but without that toughness you won't survive. I'm not doubting his ability or potential, just not sure whether he will be able to develop a physical side that will get him to the top level. I know he's young but he needs to toughen up and if he does we'll have a real gem, if not well you can always blame RAFA !
ReplyDeleteseriously, you are the most boring man alive!
ReplyDeleteand you insist in mposting this drivel aaaaaaaall the time.
Just be quiet for a littel shile will you?
Very well said mate. Your statement is 100% accurate IMO.
ReplyDeleteyou're so stupid i swear.. of course you only pick out the good signings that rafa made.. it's roy's fault were in the europa league isn't it? it's roy's fault the likes of xabi alonso, sami hyypia etc left? roys to blame for the likes of degen el zahr morientes, voronin, pennant and dossena.
ReplyDeletestick your head out of your ass and realise rafa made some DREADFUL decisions and you're blaming roy for the sake of it because you clearly can't forge your own opinion on the matter and just have to follow what everyone else says because of the sheep that you are.
AND for the record which club wouldn't sign joe cole on a FREE if they had an oppurtunity?! rafas doing just wonderful things at inter milan isn't he!
Adam, your comments dont relate to the statement you replied to - who are you directing that at??
ReplyDeleteThe official site for the EPL credits Torres with 5 goals and 5 assists. Soccernet is a big site and they may well be right in how they tally up stats, but I'd go with the official site since that's what will count in history.
ReplyDeleteAnd how can Torres have only two assists when he assisted Gerrard and Kuyt versus Sunderland and Maxi versus Bolton? That's 3 right there.
http://www.premierleague.com/page/Statistics
well, they are assists. Simply saying 'no, they are not assists. No one counts them as assists except you' doesn't make it so, to coin one of your favourite lines.
ReplyDeleteHow about our game v's Sunderland this season? Does Torres not get 2 assists for our 2 goals? The 1st where he latched on to Turner's back-pass and squared to Kuyt to tap in? How about Gerrards header where he ran down the right and crossed for Gerrad to score? and how about his delightful flick for Maxi to score the last minute winner at the Reebok. Thats 3 assists, with examples. And considering most fans i woul think would include the 2 assists at OT, that would bring his tally up significantly.
Oh dear. Jamie's had a nightmare with his 'objective stats' here
ReplyDeleteThe two assists = 1 v Bolton and 1 v Sunderland.
ReplyDeleteGerrard's goal v Sunderland has generally not been counted as an assist for Torres because the ball struck a Sunderland defender before getting to Gerrard, therefore altering the flight of the ball.
In any event, it's beside the point: Ngog still has a better record than Torres this season; that's the point. If you want to be pedantic and focus on things that are not relevant then go ahead.
From my research, all reputable stats sites bar 1 (Premier League) have Torres at 2 assists. That's good enough for me.
How am I only picking out the good signings Rafa made? This is not an analysis of Rafa but of what Roy has done with Rafa's players. FYI I actually have analysed Rafa's signings in the past before coming to conclusions, unlike others I could mention. The players you have mentioned cost £6m net between them. Anderson cost 3 times that much. Rafa performed as well as any other top managers in the market, if not better.
ReplyDeleteAs for other clubs not signing Joe Cole, they didn't. Don't you think he'd rather be playing for Arsenal, Chelsea or Tottenham? Cole was only ever going to be a good signing on reduced wages, and that is all other clubs were willing to offer. In 6 short weeks Hodgson wasted more money on unsellable players than Rafa did in 6 years. Its time to take your own brainwashed head out of the medias backside.
for once I agree with everything you said.
ReplyDeleteone point about Torres in this season, in many games he had played totally on his own. I felt sorry for him whne we played agaisnt Everton and Manchester Untied, he was totally isolated when Gerrard was more in the middle and everytime Torres got the ball he had three oppostion players to beat.
I know Ngog had been same in some European games but I think he would have suffered if he played agaisnt better team.
in general i am really happy about Ngog and Lucas comeback this season , pity Insua is not here to prove his critic worng as those two have done. I posted few replies last year about how unfair some fans had been agaisnt younger players like those three when last year older player were as bad in some games.
good article, well done Jamie
Ngog is a very good player onsidering he cost 1.5m. Pace, touch, good hold up play and he runs at you. He lacks a little composure in front of goal but he's a work in progress. Torres unfortunately like two other 'great' Strikers has lost a yard of pace due to injury. It happened to Shearer and Owen and they had to totally adjust their game. It all depends now on whether Torres wants to adapt his game to cope with the extra muscle he has to carry to prevent injury ala Shearer and Owen or whether he believes that his once lightening pace will return...unfortunately for him I don't beleive it will. Torres is definately good enough to become a Llorente type player as he has showed with some wonderful touches in and around the box. The name of the game for Torres now is deception, Trickery and speed of thought. I liken him now to Mohammad Ali after his stint in prison. Ali wasn't as quick and powerful physically but mentally he was speed thinking and was always two steps ahead of the competition.
ReplyDeleteFinally, It would be be great if we had genuine competition for places at pool. Gerrard, Carragher and Torres should not be allowed to simply walk back into the side. To suggest that Torres and Ngog should be played together as often as possible is a little unfair considering Babel took his goal so well against villa. I would like to see them have to work their asses of to get back in. This breeds genuine competition and optimism.
Jamie, why did you delete my post earlier? Do you just delete posts where people don't agree with you? Borderline facist if you ask me!
ReplyDeleteNo surprise to be honest, I thought this was common knowledge, I believe he's near enough the top15 in Premier League players in all competitions.
ReplyDeleteI agree he should be getting a run alongside Torres, hopefully Babel can too, I wonder if a 3 pronged attack could be fashioned, I don't think this naturally suits them though, perhaps rotate the two understudies, a full 40+ game season (starting) tends to have bad effects on younger players in terms of consistency.
Your comment was pointless - it asked stupid questions about whether I actually support LFC etc. Addititionally, you insulted Hodgson by calling him 'Woy'. Post thats personally denigrate managers/players etc are deleted. If you have points to make about the article then do so. If you want to bitch and moan about me then send an email.
ReplyDeletei perceive u're a very biased person. As a journalist u can write what you may but I d feel for those u'll lead to believe false things.
ReplyDeleteJaimie, you're wrong on this one and unfairly dismissive of rivrav, FIFA also counts them as assists due to their most recent documentation that I can find on it. That increases Torres assists tally by at least 2
ReplyDeleteBut overall I agree that playing 2 up front, be it Torres and N'gog up front or whatever, will be of great benefit to the team
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/techdevp/fwc_italy_1990_a_part6_273.pdf
<span><span>In addition to the list of goal scorers it is also interesting to compile a table relating to the players who set up the goals . It is of course difficult to establish objective criteria for the allocation of assist points since successful finishing is often the <span><span>outcome of a series of connected moves. We would therefore like to briefly elucidate the criteria which we have employed in the allocation of assist points.</span></span>
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<span>2 . In the event that the penultimate pass may have decisively influenced the play leading up to the goal, the player who executed this pass may also be allocated an assist point.</span>
3 . The player whose shot led to the rebound that enabled the goalscorer to successfully complete the action was also granted an assist point .
<span>4. Where goals resulting from penalties are concerned, the player who is fouled in the area receives an assist point (unless, that is, the player who is fouled subsequently executes the penalty himself .) </span>
This point changed since 1986 world cup where, After goals scored on penalty or by a <span>directly converted free-kick</span> the fouled player received a point
5 . For goals which are the result of solo efforts (dribbling runs, etc .) no assist points are given.
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Jaimie, you're wrong on this one and unfairly dismissive of rivrav, FIFA also counts them as assists due to their most recent documentation that I can find on it. That increases Torres assists tally by at least 2
ReplyDeleteBut overall I agree that playing 2 up front, be it Torres and N'gog up front or whatever, will be of great benefit to the team
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/techdevp/fwc_italy_1990_a_part6_273.pdf
<span><span>In addition to the list of goal scorers it is also interesting to compile a table relating to the players who set up the goals . It is of course difficult to establish objective criteria for the allocation of assist points since successful finishing is often the <span><span>outcome of a series of connected moves. We would therefore like to briefly elucidate the criteria which we have employed in the allocation of assist points.</span></span>
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1 . The player who was the last to pass to the eventual goalscorer receives an assist point<span><span>
<span>2 . In the event that the penultimate pass may have decisively influenced the play leading up to the goal, the player who executed this pass may also be allocated an assist point.</span>
3 . The player whose shot led to the rebound that enabled the goalscorer to successfully complete the action was also granted an assist point .
<span>4. Where goals resulting from penalties are concerned, the player who is fouled in the area receives an assist point (unless, that is, the player who is fouled subsequently executes the penalty himself .) </span>
This point changed since 1986 world cup where, After goals scored on penalty or by a <span>directly converted free-kick</span> the fouled player received a point
5 . For goals which are the result of solo efforts (dribbling runs, etc .) no assist points are given.
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Well numbers do not always tell the whole story, Torres has struggled with fitness all season.
ReplyDeleteIn saying that Ngog is an excellent buy and regardless is giving the club great value for money.
I rate him above his more experienced counterpart in Babel as i believe does Hodgson and Benitez but in all fairness he is no Torres and probably never will be.
Ngog has done well with the chances given to him...he can only get better.
ReplyDeleteOne interesting thing Roy mentioned was that Purslow recommended a list
of players who Roy should have sold.
Credit to Roy for not listening.....he said it would have been a big mistake
since those players have done well this season. It is not too hard to guess
who they may be since we should look at those players who were slated
earlier and are doing well now... Lucas, Maxi, Ngog maybe...
What this proves is that Purslow for all his fine work in getting rid
of Hicks/Gillett....seemed to be too involved in footballing matters
as Rafa accused him of doing in his media outburst few months ago.
Again kudos to Roy for not being the "yes man" and giving these players
the chance.
But then again we suddenly offloaded Aquilani who is doing well at Juventus...
was this also Purslow's decision ?
*this season* ain't over yet...
ReplyDeleteIt was a genuine question and I take it from your reply you actually support Liverpool! Wow, I'm gobsmacked judging by the way you verbally attack fellow supporters.
ReplyDeleteI don't think my point was pointless, I asked a very honest question, you keep harping on to us about giving the manager time, yet you constantly bad mouth Cole who's had the same amount of time - why is that?
Kanwar-
ReplyDeleteSo Gerrard would have scored had Torres not been fouled right?
BUT....that has to go into your creative attacking contributions stat now though right?
O I forgot your a season ticket holder at Goodison right?
Kanwar-
ReplyDeleteSo Gerrard would have scored had Torres not been fouled right?
BUT....that has to go into your creative attacking contributions stat now though right?
O I forgot your a season ticket holder at Goodison right?
Kanwar-
ReplyDeleteSo Gerrard would have scored had Torres not been fouled right?
BUT....that has to go into your creative attacking contributions stat now though right?
O I forgot your a season ticket holder at Goodison right?
Kanwar-
ReplyDeleteSo Gerrard would have scored had Torres not been fouled right?
BUT....that has to go into your creative attacking contributions stat now though right?
O I forgot your a season ticket holder at Goodison right?
Kanwar-
ReplyDeleteSo Gerrard would have scored had Torres not been fouled right?
BUT....that has to go into your creative attacking contributions stat now though right?
O I forgot your a season ticket holder at Goodison right?
Kanwar-
ReplyDeleteSo Gerrard would have scored had Torres not been fouled right?
BUT....that has to go into your creative attacking contributions stat now though right?
O I forgot your a season ticket holder at Goodison right?
Well, I'd have played Babel before N'gog today, and I can't believe that he is rated behind N'gog at Anfield. How many enquiries from Tottenham or Arsenal or teams i Italy do the club get for N'gog? That should a clue that most of Europe thinks Babel is a better player, but, at Anfield, being game and tracking backk is considered more important. Stats are always misleading, Torres has played better teams and he cannot do anything about Maxi not finishing in the same way against Tottenham, for Torres' great pass, as he did against Villa from N'gog's pass. Similar positions, against Tottenham he dallied, against Villa he hit it, first time, into the top right corner. On another season, it might have been the other way round. Torres has one more assist, N'gog has one less. I don't see N'gog cutting it against the best, ever. I think that Babel might, but because of our style of play and the lack of support from certain sections of the support, I think he will be better off doing it somewhere else. No doubt, if he stays in England, at a club higher than us in the league.
ReplyDeletedavid is a wery fine young player,he is some way like trezeguet but quicker,i hobe he ll become a half like that and that would be great. nando when in form,he is world top striker,whenn he isnt,ngog is george weah for him :)
ReplyDeletei may be good than 2 of them
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