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Just a quick note to say thank you to everyone who keeps visiting the site in my absence. I apologise for the lack of recent posts - the truth is I'm struggling build up the motivation to post anything. This has nothing to do with LFC and everything to do with my dwindling love of football.

As regular readers know, I despise many aspects of modern football, especially the greed, cheating and shallowness of many top-flight footballers. Indeed, I have little respect for the overpaid, money-grabbing mercenaries masquerading as 'footballers', which the makes it hard for me to justify wasting my time writing about them.

This will, of course, delight my many detractors :-) Having said that, I'm sure I will return occasionally to offer my humble view on things. I have complete faith in Roy Hodgson, and as I've argued in the past, the future is bright for LFC. The overwrought doom-mongers who were foaming at the mouth arguing that the club was facing the apocalypse are looking pretty stupid right about now.

All the best,
JK
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Tuesday, June 08, 2010

'Empire of the Kop' posts baseless 'story' about Dalglish + Purslow

According to alleged Liverpool website 'Empire of the Kop', Kenny Dalglish has just been 'turned down' for the manager's job, and lo and behold, the evil mastermind behind this treacherous decision is the scheming, machiavellian agent of destruction, Christian Purslow. How convenient! The latest senior figure at Anfield to be the target of a baseless fan-led smear campaign just happens to diss a club legend. I'm sorry, but this is just utter lies, and a blatant attempt to whip up more anti-Purslow sentiment.

According to EOTK:

"From what I heard, Kenny went up to Christian Purslow and told him that he felt that he was the best person qualified for the job. Purslow turned Kenny down and instead informed him that they were going to offer the position to Hodgson instead".

Right. Clearly, Dalglish 'went up' to Purslow in a crowded room and got his point across with a microphone just to ensure that everyone could hear what he was saying. If such a meeting was to take place, it would've been done behind closed doors. EOTK then went into full anti-Purslow mode with the following spurious lies:

It is really puzzling why Purslow and the gang would chose Hodgson over Dalglish...Without a doubt Kenny is devastated by the news, he has given most of his life to the club he loved. It is shameful that they turn down like this and I will not be surprised if he resigns from the club following this.

Gosh, that all sounds really tragic, doesn't it? Dalglish is 'devastated' by Purslow's 'shameful' decision, and now he's set to resign from the club.

This is precisely the kind of misinformation I've been highlighting over the last month. EOTK's post is a deliberate attempt to increase fan-hatred against Purslow. Anyone with the slightest intelligence can see the straight through this agenda-driven nonsense.

This is how it goes though; fans will read that and five seconds later they'll spreading it around as if it was fact. *typical ignorant fan response* = 'God, did you hear about Purslow dissing Dalglish. If he leaves, we're f**ked. What a C*nt" (or variations thereof, repeated ad infinitum).

Fans complain about the media slagging off Liverpool but it is, regrettably, alleged Liverpool fans (via sites like EOTK) that do the most damage.

EDIT 1: I should have known: this garbage originally came from RAWK, and was reposted (i.e. stolen) by Empire of the Kop. It really is the blindly ignorant leading the blind.

If you want to witness how some fans are completely devoid of any ability to think for themselves, just read this thread: RAWK thread. Everyone just blindly accepting it; no one with the critical faculty to *question* the information. And why? They're all so desperate for anything that will support their agenda that the truth doesn't actually matter.

EDIT 2. Just because Dalglish might be interested in the job doesn't change the act that the story was baseless. As the article shows, the aspect of the EOTK article I was attacking was the idea that Dalglish had been turned down by Purslow, and was consequently devastated and on the verge of resigning. And as you can see from the comments below, I even noted the fact that Dalglish might be interested in the job. That's not even news - of course he moght be interested; but there's a big difference between that and trying to turn Purslow into a figure of hate by saying he's callously snubbed Dalglish and caused him to want to resign.

In any event, there are no quotes from the man himself, just media speculation based on what alleged 'friends of Dalglish' have said. Hardly reliable or persuasive.

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Jaimie Kanwar said...

Empire of the Kop constantly slags me and this site off on Twitter; it has also posted articles in the past dedicated to character assassination.  I posted this article as part of my campaign to highlight the various agendas at play re the club. and how Liverpool fans are responsible for shrouding the club in lies, misinformation and doom and gloom.

Warning: Anyone who posts anything breaching the comment policy will be permanently banned.

Derrick76 said...

To be honest i have read the article at red&whitekop, whether it is genuine or fake we are not sure yet. Nobody can confirm at the moment, why are you so sure that this is fake?

fraggs said...

You'll probably need to elaborate on why you're so sure this is false. Indeed, I just read the article and it doesn't exactly sound convincing, but rather than just get into a slanging match with EOTK you could just say that you know it to be not true and your source is ... not named obviously, but explained. Everyone can then make their own conclusion. 

Yabba said...

And what if it ends up being true?

ikhilioju said...

Jaimie,

what proof do you have of this not being true? i've never been a big fan of yours, but the vast majority of your articles have something definitive as proof (despite the perspective you choose to look at it through). you say, "The latest senior figure at Anfield to be the target of a baseless fan-led smear campaign just happens to diss a club legend." - which many would think ironic coming from you - but you have nothing to show that this is actually what's going on.

how can these be blatant lies? is purslow/dalglish out of town and without access to telephones? are you purslow's personal secretary or do you know her?

you of all people should know that without something other than your displeasure at the article, your claims of lies is - journalistically, at least - inappropriate, and i would go as far to suggest that if you could make such a claim without knowing unequivocally if it is true, then you are doing yourself, your industry, or the people who do believe and trust your words absolutely no credit.....

prove that this is a blatant lie, and let the facts speak for themselves....

~ikhilioju

Derrick76 said...

Agreed with fragg, name a source instead of slanging at EOTK. If not, it will only make you seem as one of "alleged Liverpool fans that do the most damage." to liverpool

Robryan said...

Keegan is the man for the job lads. Kenny standing behind! Imagine the football! EOTK let the club get on with it and stop muddying the water.

fraggs said...

I think it's an interesting rumour at the very least. Really good point made by someone at RAWK, this is the kind of rumour that you could make up and so easily get away with. Kenny is a legend in the eyes of most, if not all fans. Ripping into him in any way would hardly be acceptable, you'd just get shouted down. What makes the rumour so credible is that I don't think the owners or Purslow want to put Kenny in that position even if he wanted to put himself there. They just finished this power struggle with Rafa which has desperately harmed their reputation. To even set up a situation where this could happen with Kenny would be suicide. Every time Kenny came up against difficulties it would be the owners or Purslow who are to blame. I reckon Kenny could go through a solid 2 years of foul-ups before the fans would seriously start to criticise him. 
I'd say the owners do want someone good in place of Rafa, but they need someone who is not going to further damage their own reputation, not start a whole new power struggle, someone who is not going to fuss and fight about resources or money. Daglish has only ever had the best interests of this club in his heart and mind and with him as manager I think it would be inevitable that there would be clashes and further problems. 

Jaimie Kanwar said...

I know for a fact it's not true.   In any event, the inherent ridiculousness of the story speaks for itself.  The idea that Dalglish would walk out on Liverpool in its hour of need *for a second time* (!) because he was allegedly turned down for the manager's job is just too stupid for words.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

it won't.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

The fact that you or any same Liverpool fan believes this story has any credibility at all is, quite frankly, disturbing.

The_Positive_One said...

Jamie.. This is just a bittere attempt to throw stones back at those that have thrown stones at you...

This is what you said EOTK wrote and than what you wrote....

According to EOTK:

<span>"From what I heard, Kenny went up to Christian Purslow and told him that he felt that he was the best person qualified for the job. Purslow turned Kenny down and instead informed him that they were going to offer the position to Hodgson instead".</span>

Right. Dalglish apparently 'went up' to Purslow in a crowded room and got his point across with a microphone just to ensure that everyone could hear what he was saying. If such a meeting was to take place, it would've been done behind closed doors. It didn't take place, so the point is moot.

<span>Now look at the highlighted parts in what you wrote... Is any of that in the part from ETOK???</span>

<span></span>
<span>Your not the only one with "contacts" so stop slagging off others and just leave it alone... Your "assuming" that this did not happen, just like the person who wrote it is assuming it did, so your just as bad as the original poster your trying to slag off....</span>

mat said...

REALY REALY REALY , You make me sick to be Liverpool fan

Jaimie Kanwar said...

The fact that you or any sane Liverpool fan believes this story has any credibility at all is, quite frankly, disturbing.

The_Positive_One said...

Wow, how did my last comment "contravene" the policy this time????

Jaimie Kanwar said...

It's like people WANT it to be true, so they can then go and blame the Owners/Purslow/Insert name of hate-figure du jour here.

ikhilioju said...

But you haven't stated how you know for a fact it isn't true - and your whole rebuttal hinges on that. Without it, it seems like you've just come out to defend purslow without regard to the potential reality of the situation - the fact that your article came out merely minutes after theirs and your reluctance to show proof only reinforces that opinion....especially since the premise of the article itself isn't that much of a stretch. Many so-called sources have said that hodgson was near the top of the list, just as that dalglish was keen on the job himself. So either of them being in the frame isn't out of line.
Kenny taking leave if it happened as EOTK stated isn't crazy either - he was meant to be the man to pick the manager, and if purslow's made his mind up irrespective of that, dalglish would be within himself to be aggrieved and retire.
Yes, it could be a ruse to stir up hatred of purslow, but until you can prove it isn't, how can you just slag them off? I know they haven't extended you journalistic courtesy, but that doesn't mean you stoop to that level and reciprocate in kind....
As I said - show us the FACTS and let them speak for themselves....
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growler said...

Generally, You post fact, and whilst I don't always agree with your intepretation, the facts are there and the foundation for your site and what makes it popular.

However, recently, (the spade in the ground, this one) your opinion is more dominating than the facts.  In this one, there is no facts to state a conversation of this effect did not take place.

How do you know that Kenny didn't speak to the guys and ask, and they explained why not, and Kenny was upset and spoke to a couple of people, say some former colleagues even. Is that REALLY beyond them realms of possibility?

Whilst I think its unlikely that anyone was in the room, or listening in to the actual conversation, it doesn't mean that it didn't happen and got retold after the event by Kenny or Purslow does it?

I would prefer you return to talking about your facts.  Happy to have your opinion there, but if its just your opinion you will lose readers and your growing reputation for finding the facts will disappear.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

No - my proof will be the fact that Dalglish *doesn't leave*.  I don't have to prove myself to you or anyone.  If you don't want to believe me, that's your choice.  Makes no difference to me.  I'm just stating my view; people will make up their own minds.

On a related note: how do you know Dalglish was keen on the job?  Did he make a statement to that effect?  No.  It's paper talk.

vela mootien said...

NO THIS CAN'T BE TRUE BECAUSE IT WOULD MEAN THE DESTRUCTION OF LFC & ITS FANS

Macca said...

Haaaa Who cares!

old school red said...

Jaimie, keep up the good work and do not be put off by idiots with their own hidden agendas.  I have been a reds fan for 30 years and never seen fans split so much as at the moment.  I have come to the view that although fans turn up to see the match, they actually do not understand the game well at all and have probably never played it. 

You had have much criticism from the IRWT brigade which I feel is unfair.  It's not their club it, belongs to us all.  So keep going brother, you were right about Rafa, he had to go.  It appears he is on the verge of the Inter Milan job, just days after receiving £6m from LFC - how can that be right???  He must have been speaking to them prior to his engineered dismissal???

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Growler - this is an opinion based site.  I'm allowed to have opinions too!

if someone started a rumour that Roy Evans was being reappointed with Stan Collymore as his assistant, would you need hard evidence to convince you that was false too?

Some things are just self-evidently wrong, and this is one of those things. 

it's amazing to me how people are willing to  believe the most outlandish things because it gives them more opportunit to slag off the Owners and/or those deemed to be sympathetic to them.

I am defending the club here, yet so-called fans are criticising me?!  If this rumour spreads, eyt more negativity and doom and gloom will be heaped upon the club.  is that what people want?

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Growler - this is an opinion based site.  I'm allowed to have opinions too!  
 
if someone started a rumour that Roy Evans was being reappointed with Stan Collymore as his assistant, would you need hard evidence to convince you that was false too?  
 
Some things are just self-evidently wrong, and this is one of those things.   
 
It's amazing to me how people are willing to  believe the most outlandish things just because it gives them more opportunity to slag off the Owners and/or those deemed to be sympathetic to them.  
 
I am defending the club here, yet some so-called fans are criticising me?  If this rumour spreads, more negativity and doom and gloom will be heaped upon the club.  Is that what people want?

AMWhy said...

What the hell has happened to Liverpool?  The club I see today is a pale shadow of what we all believe we are.  Respect?  Gone.  Support?  Absent.  Dignity?  Left the club in '91.

On one hand, you have EOTK / RAWK creating hate towards the owners.  On the other (this site) you have a Scot (Kanwar) spouting hatred to the former manager and claiming to know the inner workings of the club with no proof whatsoever.

Our club has been split, so it seems, into 3 groups:  The anti-owners, the anti-Benitez and the anti-everyone.  That's too much negativity and goes against the grain of what a supporter is.

Billium said...

The onus is on the writer to prove its truth, no-one else. I just posted this on the offending site: "Totally unsubstantiated. Who is your source? You can’t upload such claptrap without some form of attribution. You are really stirring things up and should be ashamed of yourself. Gossip mongering at its worst."  Complete morons.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

AMWhy - If you post anything again accusing me of 'hatred' of Benitez, I will ban you.  Every criticism I have ever made of Benitez has been fair, detailed and backed up with countless examples.  The criticism was justified, and it was never personal, and that is obvious.

Django said...

The original source is straight out of the Glenn Beck playbook--come up with some bulls**t theory that scares/angers people, interlace basic facts (i.e., names of those involved), then take it off the deep end. Next, start a controversy where there is none by wondering aloud why nobody involved is denying the rumors that you created.

Sad to see the club, and so many of its supporters, fall into this sort of ignorance.

Simon said...

Why do any of you think that Kenny is there for any other reason than for appearences?

Rafa originally got him back, helped cement his position with the fans, now makes owners look good that Kenny actually has a role to play at the club

Would the following be a fair interpretation of the current situation at the club?

- 2 experienced sports investment specialists buy a world wide sporting brand for relatively small amount of money
- While planning all along to flog it for a nice profit in the relative short term
- We are told that Moores rejected DIC because of a 7 year exit plan
- How much weight does the following story from Mirror hold? http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-takeover-Tom-Hicks-scuppers-two-perfect-fit-offers-for-Anfield-club-article452141.html

Jaimie, would you like to see RBS takeover the sales process or could that not happen?

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Simon - I do not believe that there is any possibility that RBS will take over the sales process.

re The Mirror article.  Just read it through again and see how much of it is actually factual.  It's scaremongering.  None of it is verifiable, so the writer cannot be brought to task.

The last line is the big giveaway:

The RBS are increasingly frustrated at the process, and sources close to the deal are suggesting there is a chance they will offer the Americans an ultimatum of finding a buyer "within months", or they will pull the plug on the loans.

Classic scaremongering.  Cue more depression and negativity about the RBS calling in the loans; Liverpool on the edge of the Abyss again; Administrators waiting to pounce; club going down the pan; next season a write off etc etc.  It's just not credible at all.  The club has only been officially for sale for about 2 months; RBS is a business - it will know that a sale cannot be concluded so quickly.

I think your interpretation of the current situation is fair.

wtf said...

Kenny and Purslow are the team looking to find the new manager. If Kenny was on  the shortlist then why is he on the managerial team - If Kenny wants the job he would publicly declare it so that means he doesn't want the job.

Its gonna be a transition year next term anyway - Give Roy Hodgson a chance - he has shown he can get the best out of average players. Somebody who can work with the American muppets rather than make political statements every week.  Maybe the club gets sold in the next 12 months and the new owners might bring their own manager..

Guest said...

My thoughts are that this story is complete rubbish. In any case, I am willing to wait and see if there is a slim chance that its true. But if you don't provide proofs, then people have every right to say that your story might turn out to be fake.

Hello World said...

Think about the story logically.  There is no way it can be true.

1. Dalglish knows better than to go up to Purslow in public and ask to be considered a candidate when he can easily do it behind doors.

2. Purslow would not rule out an option and say that they are going for Hodgson until they have evaluated their options, asked clubs for permission to speak to their managers, etc.

3. Dalglish and Purslow are working together to find a new manager... why would Dalgish not know the status of things and that they are going after Hodgson if that were the case?

4. As Dalglish is the football guy and Purslow the business guy in the arrangement... it's more likely that Dalglish is somewhat more involved in the process of evaluating managerial candidates than what "the above" suggests.

redmark said...

Firstly, the RAWK thread you link to did have people using their "critical faculty" to "question the information" in the rumour posted: me, for one. I pointed out on that thread: this is a very easy rumour at the moment, because there are factions within and around the club with their own agendas and grudges. The poster in that thread could have made it up, or had it from a good 'in the know' source - it makes no difference.

Clearly many Liverpool fans - particularly those most emotionally attached to Rafa - have a problem to deal with at the moment: Dalglish is trusted implicitly; but is also, reportedly, close to Purslow, who is regarded by many as a 'snake'. These positions contradict and can't hold for long, while Dalglish is working with him to appoint a successor. As I said in the thread, a rumour of a split between the two was inevitable.

The rumour was mainly been discussed as just that; until you blasted your 'baseless' story, blamed on a 'fan-led smear campaign', of the 'blindly ignorant leading the blind', 'devoid of any ability to think for themselves'.

You don't think much of your 'fellow' Liverpool fans, do you? Being involved in this 'story' as it unfolded, I can see that your response was wildly exaggerated and incendiary.

Why exactly - when your site earlier said 'comments off until 9am' and you stopped twittering hours ago - were you suddenly rebutting a stupid internet rumour at 3.30am?

It's almost as if - perish the thought - you were both the source and the instantly ready rebuttal; after all, it's perfect ammunition for your own agenda, the relentless portrayal of Liverpool fans as ignorant, stupid and yobbish. More hits for your site too, I guess.

Was someone very mean to you on a forum once, Jaimie? Is that why you need your own, with a nice 'delete' button to make the nasty people and nasty comments go away?

fraggs said...

It just seems so pointless to me that you make so much effort to collect information and be factual but when you attack EOTK like this people WILL question your sources, YOUR reasons for dismissing such information. Then all you do is say that it's your opinion and if we don't share it we're basically idiots. You then say that what we think of your opinion doesn't matter but if your articles are to have any kind of influence and help stop the spread of misinformation then your credibility is in fact very important. When do we know you're relaying facts vs when you're just saying what you choose to believe? If it's all just opinion then what use is it? You're then no different than any other blogger out there and your claim to be attempting to stop the spread of misinformation is not just incorrect, it's loaded with hypocrisy. 
All people are asking for Jamie is a calm and measured response to the question: why are you so sure that it's not true? It's not a crazy question, it's not at all ludicrous. You posted an article on the internet, you invite comments from the general public, what do you expect us to say?

derrick76 said...

EOTK has no source
Kanwar has no source either
FACT : Rumours are just bullshit unless prove otherwise

Everyone let move on

derrick76 said...

Both EOTK & Kanwar have no valid source 

FACT : Rumours are just bullshit unless proven otherwise 
 
Everyone let move on

derrick76 said...

Both EOTK & Kanwar have no valid source 

FACT : Rumours are just bullshit unless proven otherwise 
 
Everyone let move on

Simon said...

What has happened to ethics and standards in journalism these days?? The fake sheikh one day investing untold money and man hours to entrap people we couldn't care less about, Lord Triesman losing his job for a couple of silly words uttered privately to a friend....

Tabloids have always printed whatever they wanted but now everyone is at it. Former Liverpool greats, who exploit their former affiliation to the club, selling their wares like strumpets, now wish to be seen as experts in global economics on top of their vague tactical observations on football (Ronnie Whelan on RTE in Ireland for example) Everyone needs their piece of the Prem League pie I guess. Some of these guys have become parasites

Rafa probably needed to go but it stings slightly that Inter get him for nothing now and we paid him up to £6 million to leave when he most probably had the Inter job lined up before the parting of ways

I am optimistic about next year, new manager, reinvigorate a not too shabby squad (12 players at world cup not too bad), sell Mascherano, Gerrard too if he wants to go, put a man on the back post for corners (that alone may have one us the league in 08/09), and play 2 up top with 2 wingers. Simple as that imo. What formation does Hodgson normally play?

I hope to now ignore the reams of Liverpool uber gossip, enjoy the world cup, watch Masch and Gerrard inflate their prices, both captains of quasi contending teams, Babel regain confidence etc. We can be top four next year once we retain Torres. Maybe Hodgson will bring Dempsey and Hangelaand

Last item on my rant, Souness ruined the club in the 90s and we are still trying to recover... He is also a world renowned economist now

PS. Do you sleep? I'm on nights so that's my excuse

YNWA!

Simon

AveragerUsername said...

The original story this eminates from is a 'I heard this'. Where was this heard? IN HIS MIND!

With no real or even fake transfer rumours to liverpool the idiots have to fill the message boards up with something. This is in the same sort of league that the 'Messi to Liverpool' rumours have always been, TRIPE.

G&H out. That is all.

derrick76 said...

Jaime, provide us with a valid proof pls and not your opinion/feeling.

stopthe BS said...

It's been stated that Kenny is there to help in the process of FINDING the new manager. Why would he accept that role if he was really wanting the job for himself all along? Seems a bit of a messy way to go for a job you really want. Why not just say 'I want the job!' when Broughton says 'who do you suggest for the vacant managers role at LFC?'

The article on Empire of the Kop is classic 'hearsay' journalism. No quotes , no sources and no actual fact. The 'author' doesnt even offer an opinion! If it is TRUE then have the KOHONAS to say where you heard it and from whom!

ray said...

king kenny is more than capable of looking after himself and the appointment will be sorted soon BUT the BIG BIG question will be answered in October - will the Banks extend the loan AGAIN - if they dont we will have new owners - DONT MISS THIS CRUCIAL POINT

Peter the Great said...

The tireless watch dog of the American parasites never sleeps.

Rex said...

Jaimie you are an absolutely legend mate, this article is 100% true and I have been saying for ages about what a total idiot Antonie is. Please, please get in touch with me on facebook so we can chat more mate. My name on there is Rex Aaron Stone please add me

Nic mc B said...

Hi Jamie,

Again i'm loving the debate such articles bring.

I do find it funny that you are being asked to provide proof of your comment that EOTK have released a 'baseless' story. In fact i find it ironic that you're being asked to prove your point - which is that it's baseless and without a confirmed quote i'd say that it is baseless.

Now if EOTK or anyone else can quote someone then i'd say you've got some explaining to do but until or even if that happens you've made your point.

I can only go off information we have recieved through official and quotable sources and on the 3rd June 2010 on the official website is the following quote: 

<span>The Board has now asked Managing Director Christian Purslow, with the assistance of Club Ambassador Kenny Dalglish, to begin a formal search to identify and assess potential candidates for the managerial position.</span>

Now for that moment that's enough proof to me that Kenny hasn't been asked and isn't interested in taking it. I'd also state that Kenny is assisting Purslow not the other way round!

Riccardo Leone said...

Yes, like some fans underline, We can't have the sources to prove that EOKP's story is baseless.
From my point of view, it's easily possible to prove that story appears to be baseless, regarding to some facts.

Fact 1: Kenny Dalglish is a long - time personal friend of Mister Roy Hodgson. Mister Roy Hodgson is a gentle - man and a respectful man (nobody can't dispute the Hodgson is a kind man) with a very good relationship with Kenny. It's also believed, without no doubt, that Kenny is a long - time admirer of Mister Roy Hodgson and Kenny knew the english man in Sweden. No way that Kenn stands on Hodgson's way.

Fact 2: Is Kenny Dalglish the kind of Man who can consider himself to only one great manager for the Job? No way. Kenny is a magnificent man with a low profile and great awareness of football. I can't imagine King Kenny dalglish piss off Chirs Purslow because Crhis Purslow doesn' want to appoint him. Rubbish

Fact 3: If Kenny whould like to take the job, so why Has He not publict showed his interest excatly as Sven Goran?

* I fell a bit depressed. Some fans appear to be only worried of slate Purslow & Board but what about the poor Mister Roy Hodgson?
He's a good man, a Man, Who also deserves respect & support.
This kind of story has a potential effect to undermine Mister Roy Hodgson just in case of appointment.
I can't believe that some fans can prioritise a Man (Benitez) at this level.
ROy Hodgson is always under fire before to arrive at Anfield.
Next manager deserves a total support.
This is not the best service for the Club.
Disgusted & Depressed.
No one is worried about potential udermining effects against the innocent ROy Hodgson.
The Club, Our beloved Club, is collapsing under a stupid civil war.
I'm so tired.
I hope that King Kenny will dismiss soon these damned stories and I hope for a tekeover sooner rather than later.
Next manager deserves support and under this civil war between The die Hard Rafa - Lovers & the rest of the World it's not possible to give the proper back for the next man in charge.

The Insider said...

Yes this story is true you know. Dalglish has cancelled a flight to go to see carra ang gerrard in south africa. he was going to tell them he was going to take the job until the club is sold. But then hodgson's agent got in contact with purslow and purslow had a change off heart. Hodgson is going to be offered the job. I know that for a fact.

ray said...

Our future lies depends on the actions of R B S bank - read the Mirror article TODAY - this is the REAL ISSUE - WAKE UP

Scouser said...

Jaimie your comment on 'not hating benitez' MIGHT be true.  But have you ever written a positive article?

What makes you so sure Purslow is so great?

He has been deceitful to fans, on transfer funds (why did benitez leave?), he's been useless at finding new owners (who in their right mind would have paid £100m to parner G+H ?)

And instead of backing up Benitez he spent his time trying to flex his muscles and get benitez to follow G+H !!

Your comments against Benitez, and for Purslow & G+H seem quite obsessive.
You twist figures to agree your points, you do (despite your denials) see Anti-benitez.

You write a long love letter to Mart O'neill (possibly the worst candidate?)

Did you ever analyse benitez's missed targets? (due to s*** club support from parry and everyone else?)

And HOW was benitez negative, when in the season we came second, we registered 100+ goals ??!!

And o'neill isnt negative ?!

How is it that Benitez is 'negative', whilst o'neill 'plays how he can with the players available'.

thats hypocrisy!

You still refuse to answer to many other posts, HOW does a stadium design and plan cost £50m ???
Why wasnt there money to spend last season ?
Or the season before?
What about the Xmas transfer windows?

What about Hicks comments on his £800m valuation ?
What about analysing s*** signings of Ferguson, Mourinho, O'neill, Wenger too since you love mentioning liverpools?

Also, Masch isnt important ???
Do you remember Real Madrid? Who thought Makelele wasnt important?
They got screwed when he left...

you think Lorik Cana is just as good ??!

Masch is the worlds BEST DM, and we are in s*** if he left, because there is no one better at letting the wingers, forwards and Stevie G to attack whilst he mops up at the back.

Riccardo Leone said...

But Kenny is a long time personal friend of Roy Hodgson, and I can't imagine that Kenny stands of the former Switzerland manager's way..
Kenny won't leave the CLub and He will support next manager.

RR said...

But why would you think this story is TRUE ??? and prove its true, please ? but you can't, so you expect others to prove you wrong .. weird world we now live in :)

You can't keep asking others to prove there point if you can't prove yours ... best leave stories such as these alone !

I'll stay with Liverpool will be top 4 next season, you guys keep chatting about gossip, it seems most LFC fans have become good at this ...

RR

Scouser said...

Jaimie AGAIN, how are you defending Hicks ???!!!
He's trying to milk the club dry, and you seem hell-bent on making sure hw has a good reputation ??!!!

2 FIT buyers, and he turns them away, because they arent stupid enough to pay £800m !!!

Why don't you write an article on the inflated asking price ?
(Hicks was QUOTED on US tv as saying £600m-£800m)

Either figure is ABSURD and surely your love for financial figures can prove this?

(p.s. domt forget that another £300m+ is needed for the stadium, plus £50m? for a new manager to buy players?

The Insider said...

yes kenny would like hodgson to be manager for the next however many years, but he realises that is hodg was appointed now, the likelihood is he wont be favoured by new owners, especially faced with the task of our 'sinking ship'. Kenny wants the job for a year max, doesnt want roy to quit fulham and risk his reputation, then bring in hodg when the club is sold. this is fact, im typin quickly so isnt worded the best. you wait and see.

Tgan said...

As if Kenny would ask to be manager?, it's a joke. Kenny and Purslow are fine and that's why they are in charge of recruiting a manager, Kenny will stay at the club for life in his current capacity. Im sure Roy Hodgson is the new manager and Kenny gets on fine with Roy, can we please move on from the bitterness and support the team. I see BarCap have said that 2 groups from UAE and US are trying to do a deal at present, will Hicks block this over money or do the right thing?????

Nickname said...

"very criticism I have ever made of Benitez has been fair'

Surely that alone is worth a 10 page debate! ;)

EOTK and RAWK utter rubbish, it feels like people can not go 1 day without Liverpool FC scandal. I couldn't imagine that Kenny would want the job now, maybe a director of football or consultant to the new manager.

sir bob paisley said...

Proof please.......... or are you taking snippets from LFC forums and making the bits up inbetween?

You say it is "baseless" facts please Jaimie

Doesn't Matter said...

LOL BEAKING NEWS :lol:

derrick76 said...

Mic it could also go this way, kenny has being asked but declined and offer to help in identifying and assess potential candidates for managerial position. However kenny had a changed of heart later on and decided to manage for the time being.
There is nothing concrete from the official statement until a valid direct quote is given.  We dont know what is happening in the background, EOTK could be bullshitting or in fact a little true, but i expect more from kanwar, his article have being supporting article with fact and not just speculation/opinion.

P Bryan said...

Fraggs,  it is a commonly accepted scientific and legal principle that the primary burden of proof lies with the person proposing an idea (ie RAWK). If I said to you the earth was square, it would be unreasonable of me to say I shall continue to promote this as true until someone else can disprove it.

In this case, the RAWK article presents no facts to support its story and on the balance of probability is likely to be false because the content would not be in the public domain. As Jaimie points out - how exactly would it have leaked?

Xile said...

What do you expect, the site is run by yanks!

P Bryan said...

It is a commonly accepted scientific and legal principle that the primary burden of proof lies with the person proposing an idea (ie RAWK). If I said to you the earth was square, it would be unreasonable of me to say I shall continue to promote this as true until someone else can disprove it. 
 
In this case, the RAWK article presents no facts to support its story and on the balance of probability is likely to be false because the content would not be in the public domain. As Jaimie points out - how exactly would it have leaked?

Max said...

I cannot believe all of the bull**** stories that have been dug up are only because of Rafael Benitez. He is gone 'everyone' so get over it now.

If Dalglish wanted the Job he would have taken it already. And if he was refused the Job, why isnt there PROOF or HEADLINE NEWS? That would be an even bigger story than that of Benitez leaving.

Why would Purslow in his right mind refuse for Dalglish to take the job? Whoever wants to believe that probably think that Benitez will be our manager for a second time next season...  

Riccardo Leone said...

We must stick together.

zack zahurry said...

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/brian-reade/Why-Rafa-Benitez-leaves-Liverpool-as-a-legend-not-the-failure-his-history-rewriting-critics-insist-The-Brian-Reade-Column-article448527.html

http://robbohuyton.blogspot.com/2010/06/liverpool-fc-reponse-to-chris-bascombes.html?

Jamie juz blaming rb juz because he extremely got resources about the transfer...the good manager is not about transfer fund....transfer fund is a major point to be a good manager...transfer (that u always and always mentioned that "rb spend 100m for 6 years ..bla..bla bla.)...Yes i admit it, some transfer is not good and not suited to the EPL or to the team...But, he also offload those players if he found that he is not good enaf...

Alex ferguson - failed to shine veron, forlan (well forlan be top 3 scorer in laliga after moving to spain)

Jm - failed for scheva (even there r scandal buying him..but he is the manager who buy about 40m equivalent to 2 x torres ...heheh)

Arsenal - failed eduardo who injury prone and some player...

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Jamie, why dont u count and be critical about the result had been produced by rafa before...I think he is one of the good manager compared to those 3 manager (RB beat AF in much aspects in early 5 years)

U juz ignoring that major things while find out minor things who u r trying channelized all the comment to agreed with you..

Why dont you ever said that how many RB break the previous Liverpool records

Plus the player that Rafa signing 

Pepe Reina (most clean sheet)

Torres (most faster to score 50)

gerrard (most score in a season)

Most clean sheets, most goal , least concede, least concede in set piece, 

Why dont you put in your post if you think you r damn neutral 

ARE YOUR RESOURCES  ..OR SO CALLED " VERY RELIABLE RESOURCES"cant get this bloody good statistic and post here?

Coz you r juz stubborn. You happy stated some one as "so called fan" but you never realize that you juz stated urself.

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I do believe that there r some player like rafa n some not..(already stated in my previous comment). so you cant to look and accept juz an opinion and tell the world that RB is bla2 bla bla...

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Why dont you analyse that youth and reserved teams in the previous 6 seasons?

Why dont you compared our reserved team team average compared to the rest team?

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You juz pick some point and tell the world RB is s*** because he already given some money and cant to get the results.

We liverpool fan believe that RB should be given another season even very last chance to guide liverpool , atleast to get the UEFA place back

Its seems like Chealsea offload JM..

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If you r juz very neutral blogger, could you compared pro and cons about rafa at all things

I do feel that everyone have their own cons but there r still a lot cons to be appreciated than blame to RB FOR A NIGHTMARE SEASON.

Everyone should be have part in whole season.

You should ask yourself 1st then to the others

...............

we juz hoping that Liverpool is moving to the right direction of success

WHILE WE DONT REALLY CONFIRM THAT THE R BRIGHT FUTURE IN THE NEXT CHAPTER OF LIVERPOOL INSTEAD OF GOD...

ALSO WE HOPING THAT WE CAN SE THE INDICATOR TOWARDS THAT 

YNWA

Jon said...

This is a shabby article. RAWK is a forum with over 30,000 members. Within that group there are people who like to bolster their self-worth by claiming to be ITK, and there are some people who genuinely are.

Liverpool is terrible for circulating gossip. Far more so than London, Jaimie. And the FOAF sourced rumours reach saturation rapidly. But RAWK is a forum, not a news service. The moderators are not responsible for what people post. And stories without a decent source get locked.
RAWK does not speak with a single voice on anything.

sir bob paisley said...

That ^

Jon said...

The burden of proof lies with the original poster on RAWK, not RAWK the forum. It is a bulletin board, not a news service. Every football forum has people who claim to know more than they do. RAWK is more vociferous than most in rubbish the claims of people who claim to be in the know.

Holding RAWK responsible for a post from a single poster, would be like holding Jaimie responsible for all the comments on this blog.

Jon said...

He is asking for proof because of the way Jaimie has rebutted the article. If the article above had just said that there was no credible proof for the rumour and the details of it don't stack up, it would be unreasonable to ask for proof.

Jaimie's assertion that he knows for a fact that the rumour is false, implies that he has more concrete evidence, and invites the request to produce it.

In truth, it was a bullshit forum topic, that would have been ignored by everyone if not for the background of handbags between Jaimie and some posters on RAWK.

Jon said...

The topic ran from 2am to 5am. There probably weren't any moderators online, else it would have been locked earlier. The proportion of less than sober and sleep deprived people is far higher at that sort of time.

Antoine Zammit said...

Ok Kanwar, display this if you have the balls.

Thanks for calling me a liar, it is an honour being called a liar by you.

Unfortunately your twisted mind has made up more lies in order to bash me.

The story was not stolen from RAWK it you look at the timeline it was posted around the same time as the RAWK posting.

My question to you about Purslow is, Do you know the guy? The way you speak about him it sounds like you are butt F**king him.

Have a nice day.

jamies mama said...

jamie jamie jamie..come here dahling

The BIG Fella said...

Jamie,

I'm the one who posted the Dalglish story on RAWK, and I am prepared to say that it is 100% true. Whether it pans out like that is another matter, but that is what has happened.

The BIG Fella said...

Jamie, 
 
I'm the one who posted the Dalglish story on RAWK, and I am prepared to say that it is 100% true. Whether it pans out like that is another matter, but that is what has happened.

Read more: http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2010/06/beaking-news-empire-of-kop-posts.html#ixzz0qFfLHTp5

Rob said...

This article comes from the same site where SOS definately were burning American flags, despite no evidence whatsoever. Right.

oh498 said...

jaimie any thoughts on 2 perfectly fit new owners being put off by hicks overpricing the club.gillette is ready to reduce the price but hicks wont budge. shoulds rbs force his hand

longchalk said...

 find myself actually greeing with the liverppool-kop.com site on this one.
the story is not substantiated and not even random hear-say.
makes me angry that thiis the type of crap that will plaugue us this summer.
 having said that - it does remind me of the time when the owners courted Klinsman (of all people) to replace our manager at a time when we where on the up.
with that kind of conduct from the guys in charge i shudder to think what they will do now.

какой шарик всасывая идиота said...

Has noone worked out yet that Jamie Kanwar is an anagram?

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Impossible to substantiate paper talk.  No truth to it.

Kopstick said...

How can people defend an article that is so fundamentally wrong? Everything about the EOTK article is ludicrous, yet you still see people posting things like "Purslow needs to go".
The man came into Liverpool to steady a sinking ship and is being undermined by people who have no idea of what is actually happening. The very people he is trying to help. Give the guy a chance to at least do what he's tasked with before writing him.

I would certainly NOT want to be involved or have any affiliation to Liverpool at this moment in time from a managerial point of view if this is the kind of bullshit that so-called "supporters" of the club are going to believe whenever some Tom, Hick or Parry decides to write an article on how he "got word from somebody" or "hear that a friend of a cousin who's brother-in-law's nephew eavesdropping on a conversation between Kenny and Purslow..."  RIDICULOUS

Liverpool supporters are starting to embarrass me with their ability to be so easily misled and need to start thinking for themselves.

Guest said...

Can you prove its 100% true?

Jon said...

That's a contradiction. If it is impossible to substantiate, it is equally impossible to state that there is no truth in it. It is a nebulous kind of story. Elements of it may be true, but there is no evidence to support it.

Rather than dismiss it and say that there is no truth to it, it would be better to dismiss it and say there is no evidence for it. Otherwise you'll only be asked for your proof that there is no truth in it.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

When a story is so blatantly not true it deseverves to be dismissed.

Jay said...

Agree with Jaimie, it is not up to him to prove this is false it is up to the person who claims it is fact to provide evidence that it is true.

No quotes, no named sources and extremely unlikely in every respect.

Crap.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

FAO of Antoine Zammit:

Your post was deleted because it breached the comment policy.  It's as simple as that.  If you want to engage in civilised debate on the issue, you are welcome.

However, please stop the wounded animal act.  If you can't take it, don't dish it you.  You have been slagging me off in a personal manner for months, completely unprovoked.  Examples: childish name-calling on Twitter (a regular occurrence - see attached image).

Posting articles (unprovoked) just to slag off me and this site:
http://www.empireofthekop.com/anfield/?p=6108

Indran said...

Jaimie, plz only post if you have a proof that this news is fake. We're not taking about "logicness" here or what is your personal view. If EoTK or Rawk can provide proof that Mr.Purslow rejected Mr.Daglish's news is true, people would believe him. In contrast, if you or any other guys provide proof that this news is unvalid. then we'll believe you.There's nothing to argue about logicness here. Until the news is proven fake or someone officially denied the news, the news is considered true. Remember INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. So, get over your bitterness and try to support the team.

FIZZER said...

Hello James you sound like you know your stuff! This is my 1st visit to your site and was wondering if you could enlighten me on the rumour that Phil Thommo will be appointed with sami hyypia as assistant?

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Hi Fizzer - I presume that's a joke, right? :)

Phil Thompson will not be appointed, neither will Sami (though I would personally LOVE to see Sami back at the club in a coaching capacity).

Some sanity please said...

Bloke on website says he heard from a source that something happened

Bloke on another website says he has no proof so can't be true

Liverpool fans divide and have big fight over who may be right with no way of either proving their case.

Mancs must be pissing themselves

Come on lads, there must be better things us fans can be doing

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Hi Fizzer. 
 
Phil Thompson will not be appointed, neither will Sami (though I would personally LOVE to see Sami back at the club in a coaching capacity).

Jaimie Kanwar said...

The proof is in the inherent ridiculousness of the story.  I guess if someone started a rumour saying that Stan Collymore was going to take over, with Sean Dundee as his assistant, you'd require proof that was fake too.

Redman said...

JK sometimes your arrogance astounds me. How can you dismiss something that will turn out to be true. Just as Mr Purslow leaked the Rafa is going story to the press last week. The 2 purchasers story has also been leaked to a) further discredit Hicks and b) to try to force him to sell up. The story has been leaked by Barclays Capitol with the full baking of the Livepool Chairman. Why you might ask well I will tell you. Martin Broughton is not and never has been a H and G appointment he has been appointed by RBS. H and G had to agree to this for the loans to be extended. Hicks is still messing around he will be forced to sell. I know these facts are true

wickid said...

I totally agree that it is not true. Sensationalist nonsense.

The Irish Rover said...

Surely it wouldn't be Purslows decision alone to hire or fire anyone. Would this not be a deicision made by the directors ( but not Hicks & Gillette I beleive). Jaimie what is your opinion on Purslow undermining Rafa in his last few months & using the media to do this. Also are you of the opinion that something is happening at Anfield with regards to a takeover, although in it's infancy?

jamies mama said...

come to mama jamie.

woody said...

pot,kettle and black jamie!!!

havent you spent the last 2 years trying to get rid of rafa?

Mark07968 said...

I dont agree with Jaimie on, well, anything really but I do agree that this story is a complete load of nonsense. 

Cant we all just get along!?

x

anteater said...

I couldn't agree more! It is as if "so-called supporters" tried to prove those who have no love for football and claim that football supporters are thick right. Too many don't seem to know what they are doing. Burning a USA flag. What kind of message does that send out to the world.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Mr Purslow leaked the Rafa is going story to the press last week

Prove it.  In fact, don't prove it; provide some persuasive evidence/reasoning to to suggest it's true.

The 2 purchasers story has also been leaked to a) further discredit Hicks and b) to try to force him to sell up. The story has been leaked by Barclays Capitol with the full baking of the Livepool Chairman.

Sorry, I don't believe it. If you want to believe it, that's fine.

longchalk said...

good food for thought i spotted on the liverpool echo newspaper site
the topic was the fans ownership scheme
I saw this post which gives some interesting points-

 
  TheShadowKnows wrote:
This whole saga is like something out of Alice in Wonderland. The problem is that a lot of the "information" being used is inaccurate, misrepresented or simply made up. This is largely because there are probably 4 or 5 "players" out there (H&G, BarCap, RBS/Wachovia, key players, potential investors) who are each trying to bluff and double bluff the others.
However, there is no doubt that RBS/Wachovia are the key. The terms of their loan extension to H&G are not public but it seems very likely that they are getting more and more nervous about the complicated fall out that is fast approaching on the horizon.
Banks generally don't like calling in loans, and definitely don't like having to "take over" businesses when loans default - so they are probably hoping that by pushing behind the scenes they can get H&G to sell, get their money back and let LFC return to some degree of normality.
Rather than just focusing on H&G I think pressure should be put on RBS/Wachovia to play a more active part in resolving this mess - at least some of which they are responsible for. As the government announces a period of painful austerity, it seems a good time to point out that the UK taxpayer (through RBS/Wachovia) is currently bankrolling a couple of dubious American businessmen who are behaving unreasonably and in the process wrecking an important UK business (LFC) that if "released" from their shackles could go on to be very successful.
I don't think RBS/Wachovia want to be answering questions from government ministers who themselves are keen to point the finger of blame at the banks given the "bad news" they are going to have to deliver in the next few months.
Shouldn't we be lobbying the new Sports Minister - and treasury officials? Shouldn't we be asking RBS/Wachovia to explain publicly why they are using taxpayers money to support the unreasonable and greedy demands of the American businessmen?
If RBS/Wachovia prompt the sale of the club at a reasonable price (£500m?) they will get their money back, with a tidy profit from the interest paid, and won't have to deal with anymore bad publicity.
They just need a little bit of "persuasion" to do the right thing.
8/6/2010 10:56 AM BST on liverpoolecho.co.uk
 

P Bryan said...

Indran, you contradict yourself. You say 'innocent until proven guilty' but then say 'until the news is proven fake the news is considered true.' You are simply that presuming that Purslow is presumed guilty until proven innocent. This is a clear case of double standards, not to mention willful gullibility.

P Bryan said...

Indran, you contradict yourself. You say 'innocent until proven guilty' but then say 'until the news is proven fake the news is considered true.' You are simply presuming that Purslow is guilty until proven innocent. This is a clear case of double standards, not to mention willful gullibility

Read more: http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2010/06/beaking-news-empire-of-kop-posts.html#ixzz0qGScc3C0

P Bryan said...

Indran, you contradict yourself. You say 'innocent until proven guilty' but then say 'until the news is proven fake the news is considered true.' You are simply that presuming that Purslow is presumed guilty until proven innocent. This is a clear case of double standards, not to mention willful gullibility

johnsouthwales said...

jamie,  do me a favour and take a good look at your thread.
if anybody is disrectful, you have disrespected kenny dalglish.
you have used kenny dalglish's name to score points for yourself.

where on earth does it mention a microphone in either the rawk or antoines posts?  exactly.. because you decided to fabricate the microphone in a crowded room.

there is nothing more to add because what you said is enough to convince that you are masquerading as a liverpool supporter

P Bryan said...

Indran, you contradict yourself. You say 'innocent until proven guilty' but then say 'until the news is proven fake the news is considered true.' You are simply presuming that Purslow is guilty until proven innocent. This is a clear case of double standards, not to mention willful gullibility

liverpoolfan1970 said...

God knows I don't always agree with you, and I visit all sorts of sites for my LFC news (including RAWK, TIA, Tompkins site, and this one)...  But I do agree with you on this.  Tony's site is pure crap.  I can't believe ANYONE would believe anything that guy says (or steals).  

Jon said...

It is not blatantly not true. It's unverifiable. There is the possibility that elements of the story are true. There is no evidence either way in the public domain.

By all means dismiss it. It is probably rubbish. But you cannot assert that it is not true. There is no evidence that it is not true, just as there is no evidence that it is true. If you want to stand by your oft-stated claim of letting the facts speak for themselves, the mantra has to be that there's no evidence, so Occam's Razor applies. The facts don't support you saying definitively that it is not true.

stevo said...

The one thing i really can't make any sense of is, why would sack our manager without a suitable replacement lined up, especially when he was being targeted by other big clubs? It makes no business sense whatsoever!

Jon said...

No, I'd say that there was no credible evidence to support that Collymore is being headhunted. And I would choose not to believe it unless / until more credible evidence presented itself. I might even go further and claim that it was highly unlikely to be true. None of those statements would require proof.

Stating out and out that it is definitely false is a different proposition and invites a reasonable request for proof of the assertion.

Anfield said...

If "nobody" at the Club leaked the story Jaimie, how do you explain David Maddock (Anti-Benitez) a bluenose working for the Mirror and known associate of Henry Winter and his ilk, turning out a story stating as FACT Benitez was being sacked TWO days BEFORE it happened?

Did he make it all up did he? Well, Jesus Christ, someone give him a ring and ask him for Saturday's lottery numbers!

Obviously, someone at the Club leaked the story to David Maddock, either that or it was fed to him from Winter - the point is still the same, someone at a high level within the Club couldn't keep their mouth shut.

Previously it has been thought that Purslow was the leak, it seems a logical conclusion given his opinion of Benitez (behind closed doors), unless you can think of anyone else on the Board who'd leak such sensitive data to the Press?

Anfield said...

If "nobody" at the Club leaked the story Jaimie, how do you explain David Maddock (Anti-Benitez) a bluenose working for the Mirror and known associate of Henry Winter and his ilk, turning out a story stating as FACT Benitez was being sacked TWO days BEFORE it happened?

Did he make it all up did he? Well, Jesus Christ, someone give him a ring and ask him for Saturday's lottery numbers!

Obviously, someone at the Club leaked the story to David Maddock, either that or it was fed to him from Winter - the point is still the same, someone at a high level within the Club couldn't keep their mouth shut.

Previously it has been thought that Purslow was the leak, it seems a logical conclusion given his opinion of Benitez (behind closed doors), unless you can think of anyone else on the Board who'd leak such sensitive data to the Press?

Anfield said...

If "nobody" at the Club leaked the story Jaimie, how do you explain David Maddock (Anti-Benitez) a bluenose working for the Mirror and known associate of Henry Winter and his ilk, turning out a story stating as FACT Benitez was being sacked TWO days BEFORE it happened?

Did he make it all up did he? Well, Jesus Christ, someone give him a ring and ask him for Saturday's lottery numbers!

Obviously, someone at the Club leaked the story to David Maddock, either that or it was fed to him from Winter - the point is still the same, someone at a high level within the Club couldn't keep their mouth shut.

Previously it has been thought that Purslow was the leak, it seems a logical conclusion given his opinion of Benitez (behind closed doors), unless you can think of anyone else on the Board who'd leak such sensitive data to the Press?

Rob said...

Jamie,

RBS is not going to wait for ever for its money. Rothchilds spent over a year trying to find potential buyers with varying degrees of success and now Barcap have been bought into find a buyer. Clearly the valuation that H&G have on the club essentially includes a fully developed stadium. So in effect they are trying to price in the future premium's they now will come from a bigger capacity stadium without having to spend a penny themselves building it. What I don't understand and maybe you can enlighten me is why so much money has been spent on planning for a stadium that H&G had no real intention to build IMO. Pretty much a year into their partnerhsip H&G fell out and they have  to varying degrees been trying to buy each other out over the last few years or find outside buyers to buy each others stake.

What I don't understand is why H&G would sack Benitez without having a replacement already lined up? The uncertainty over this might be putting off potential buyers since success on the pitch directly translates into the value of the club. Furthermore the instability means other clubs have an opportunity to tap up our best players knowing that there is a current vacuum.

Rob said...

Jamie,  
 
Rothchilds spent over a year trying to find potential buyers with varying degrees of success and now Barcap have been bought into find a buyer. Clearly the valuation that H&G have on the club essentially includes a fully developed stadium. So in effect they are trying to price in the future premium's they now will come from a bigger capacity stadium without having to spend a penny themselves building it. What I don't understand and maybe you can enlighten me is why so much money has been spent on planning for a stadium that H&G had no real intention to build IMO. Pretty much a year into their partnerhsip H&G fell out and they have  to varying degrees been trying to buy each other out over the last few years or find outside buyers to buy each others stake.

As such while I don't think the Chairman would leak any stories concerning potential buyers. I think that a reasonsable assumption may be that Barcap have leaked this in order to put pressure on H&G to lower their price. Hicks has already publicaly stated that he won't be rushed into selling and so long as RBS don't call in the loans he can take his time... but RBS won't wait for ever for its money.
 
What I don't understand is why H&G would sack Benitez without having a replacement already lined up? The uncertainty over this might be putting off potential buyers since success on the pitch directly translates into the value of the club. Furthermore the instability means other clubs have an opportunity to tap up our best players knowing that there is a current vacuum.

Read more: http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2010/06/beaking-news-empire-of-kop-posts.html#ixzz0qGj8E2VY

Jaimie Kanwar said...

If "nobody" at the Club leaked the story Jaimie, how do you explain David Maddock (Anti-Benitez) a bluenose working for the Mirror and known associate of Henry Winter and his ilk, turning out a story stating as FACT Benitez was being sacked TWO days BEFORE it happened

This is FALSE.

Benitez was sacked on the 2nd June.  Maddock posted his article on the 2nd June...

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-sack-manager-Rafa-Benitez-article446441.html

...pretty much like the rest of the world:

This is yet another example of how fans spred blatantly inaccurate information.  Where did you get this 2-day thing from?  It's not true.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

IMO, the most likely candidate for leaking the info to the press was Benitez, or one of his inner circle.

Damien Conroy said...

Hi Jaimie, will u be doin a piece on the latest news that hicks is reluctant to lower his £800million asking price??

http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/liverpool-fc/129404-tom-hicks-scuppers-potential-liverpool-fc-sale-as-fans-step-up-ownership-bid.html 

Redman said...

Jamie sorry but it is true i dont care if you believe it or not but it is true you are not the only person with links to the club. My post is true and it will be proved very soon. New owners are defo on the way gillett has accepted Hicks will be forced to accept. Wait and Watch

Spoin Kop said...

I doubt very much Jaimie will write an article about that Damien.

In anycase Hicks is stubborn, as the plight of his Baseball team shows. There has been an offer on the table from The Ryan Group for the Texas Rangers since April 2009, however Hicks wanted more than the $575m being offered.

The deal only looks likely to now be going through after Hicks's Creditors called in their loans to the Group he owns which in turn owns Texas Rangers, they pushed for the bankruptcy of the Texas Rangers and their creditors to be paid in full (Hicks creditors) as a result he has now accepted the offer (having been forced into a corner) and the sale looks likely to go through with Hicks debts being paid in full.

We could well see a similar situation at LFC, Hicks is already playing hardball over the valuation of the Club and "his" creditors are becoming increasingly frustrated with his refusal to agree a realistic valuation. It seems we are a few month behind the path of progression that could see us in a similar situation to Texas Rangers.

The one saving grace is the involvement of George Gillett, however this could make the sale all the more difficult with the two having had well publicised disagreements in the past!

Just my opinion of course.

byrneside said...

Jamie,you are spot on,this story is complete bull and there is no need to prove it because the article speaks for itself.
I mean anyone with half a brain can see that. First of all why would they give him the job of finding someone when they already know who they want.

Also i dont think purslow is dumb enough to treat Kenny like that and become a hate figure at anfield.
Personally i think Kenny is the man for the job, but i have complete faith in him to chose the right man.Once them yanks are gone we will be a force again.

Go on the pool!

KBill76 said...

It feels highly unlikely and Jaimie is right to question the veracity of this story.  I was lucky enough to have a drink with Kenny in La Manga about three weeks back (he was playing with wee Gordon Strachan & his son on the South Course) whilst I didn't understand everything he said (the 2nd time we bumped into each other he was impressively drunk) I did ask if he'd be willing to take on the role if Rafa were to leave. "Nay lad" was the start of his answer, some of the rest was lost in translation and alcohol but it definitely wasn't the language of someone that would be openly / publicly tapping up Purslow for the job. I was trying to say he should - but that I wanted to RAfa to stay which he agreed with. 

One thing's for sure though - he's an absolutely top man and was incredibly open to talking to random strangers like me. He nearly wet himself laughing when one of our group dropped his trousers whilst stood on top of the piano in the aptly named Piano Bar - mid rendition of Ring of Fire. 

longchalk said...

When did purlow become such an authority on selecting a football manager anyway?
his role initally to facilitate the loans mess and ease things with benetiz and the owners.
also he was just an iterim apoointment with no experiance of footie clubs before.
I know hes fluent in spanish but that sure is an expensive translator if we go for another spanish coach!

peter said...

What do you expect from a pig but a grunt. Any site more concerned with stories about 'wags' are more concerned with pay per click than they are football.

PS, the copied it from a baseless 'in the know' on RAWK

RC said...

Jamie or anyone ...

Can Gillett not just sell his 50% share in the club , once he offers it to Hicks first and Hicks doesn't have the cash to buy it ...

Surely both don't need each others approval to sell ..

Robert said...

Yep thats it Jaimie....everyone is entitled to an opinion. Apart from you it seems because everything you say is a statement of fact!

Kenneth D. said...

I can assure you that there is not one iota of a chance that either side is 100% completely true.  It lies somewhere in between and gets muddled by everyone.  Facts and facts alone separate the truth from journalistic liscense.  Rest assured I will be forever Liverpool but that does not mean that I may have had some thoughts towards managing our team.  Unfortunately the ownership want to go a different direction with Liverpool, that is why I have decided not to go to South Africa to speak with Steven about his future plans, it is not in his best interest.  We are a business and a brand, and I'm afraid for the football club while our managing director worrie about thebrand.

Brozzo said...

Fact + Liverpool don't seem to equal the truth right now, so will the real Liverpool supporters please stand up.
Jamie i really appreciate your delving into the inner workings of our beloved club and long may you do so but i feel at time's you turn into a petulant child that with the click of the button can permanently ban someone for relaying there personal opinion.
From a legal stand point fact's require proof either way so until you or RAWK can do so neither of you have the best interests of the club at heart in this particular matter, I will say it again keep up the good work Jamie but follow the stories we want to hear and not your personal squabble with other site's, you need to take the high ground or it will just prove many people right in there opinion of you.

Riccardo Leone said...

STABILITY, STABILITY, STABILITY.
WE MUST STICK TOGETHER.
LISTEN TO THE TRUE LIVERPOOL FANS LIKE RED OLD SCHOOL, PLEASE.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LIVERPOOL FANS?
WHAT DO YOU THINK? DO YOU THINK THAT CLUB'S ANTHEM IS ONLY AN IRREAL FICTION?
WORDS HAVE SUBSTANCE FOR TRUE LIVERPOOL FANS.
STOP TO THIS FUCKING & USELESS CIVIL WAR AND SUPPORT THE CLUB & THE NEXT MAN IN CHARGE IN THESE TIMES OF TROUBLES.
STOP TO TALK ABOUT THE PAST, TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MOVE ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Glenn Quagmire said...

I think the way that the board handled this is appalling.

Call themselves businessmen? Why give a guy a six million settlement when they knew he could be off to Inter? Its almost blindingly stupid.

What worries me is not if Roy Hodgson gets the job, he would be a stabalising influence and is VERY well respected in the game at all levels.

No, what worries me is if the board appoint Mark Hughes, and ive heard that he is seriously being considered.

That the scummer would even DARE consider to show his face at Anfield as manager shows what a cnut he is.

I for one would risk being banned from Anfield for life to twat him in the dug out if he became manager.

J said...

I find it really funny how everyone is an expert on football management despite having no experience and how people can have an assured opinion of someones agenda or personality despite not knowing them.

My personal opinion is that this statement by EOTK is probably quite inaccurate and yes, copied from forums of RAWK. It is not to say that this could not be true though- as unless someone names a source with information discrediting the information- we should not shoot the messenger but take the information with a pinch of salt.

As it is through these rumours (substantiated & unsubstantiated) that we clamor to Liverpool Fans websites. It is then up to the fans to decide what is likely to be true or not. If we all act to discredit and attack the messengers then they will stop postings and in some cases they may have some reliable information. The informer from Koptalk is often imo quite accurate regarding information but people on there try to discredit him and as a result he posts less frequently and you get even more unsubstantiated rubbish from other posters.

My point is:-
Rumours are the main stay of these sites
You should not merely attack another person/site without due provocation- it is tit for tat, childish and unprofessional

I think you should stick to the facts and figures as they do make interesting reading!

J

Aiyic said...

The real truth is that Martin O'Neill has been spotted leaving a tattoo-studio with Y.N.W.A emblazoned on his inside fore-arm. And anyone who wants the assistant-manager gig has to do the same.

One is never required to prove a negative.

Tears for Liverpool said...

Derrick, You look like you are bent on bashing Jaimie and nothing else. I believe what Jaimie is pointing out is realistically something we all need to think through. I didnt believe the article when I read it either because it simply doesnt add up. I think if Kenny was interested, he would have said so as soon as he was appointed as one of the People to lookfor a New Manager. Given that the story is true, Why hasnt Kenny announced that he is leaving as Yet??? I can have some room for trying to believe all that was written but it take smore than just a rumour from a source that isnt so credible. Right about now, everyone can say what they think is eye catching. I just read a few minutes ago that another Sheik wealthier than the Owner of Manchester City is interested in taking full ownership of the Club but I can call it rubbish because there wasnt anything solid proof of that. Is that article right/true???

Maliya said...

Hmm .. Basically All Of This Is Crap Because Unlike You Antoine and EmpireOfTheKop Actually Post True LiverpoolFC Stories And Are TRUE Liverpool Fans. Because No True Fan Would Be Promoting A SOSOS Group. SpiritOfShankly Cares About The Fans Becuase Basically They Are Fans. Unlike <span>You.</span> So Stop Slagiing Off Antoine && The EmpireOfTheKop And Sort Yourself Out. Please. :]

joe said...

sounds more like an agenda than an opinion. That's just my opinion.

joe said...

The reason he won't write that article is because he seems blatantly pro Hicks. Bit fishy. That's just my opinion though - not to be confused with a fact.

It seems strange to me that he jumps down people's throats when they state their opinion but ignorantly professes his own opinions as if they were fact. How dare you question his opinion.

I have nothing to do with SOS and am not particularly anti-owners (although they have definitely overstayed their welcome). But the level of anti-rafa articles on this site and lack of anti-owner articles suggest there is a hidden agenda to me.

Yes I am a Rafa fan and disappointed to see him snapped up by the lowly european champions.

Jack said...

If is is a baseless story it is one as opposed to countless baseless stories that have been printed on this H+G propaganda site. BTW all those misguided articles asking for Oneill look like coming to nothing. Under Hodgeson we won't even make regular Europa League while Rafa will confirm CL for Inter every season. You can count on it.      

Jack said...

No the fact that you have supported H+G and tried to get rid of Rafa for O'neill who has never made CL and never made the quarters in the mickey mouse cup is disturbing.

Jim said...

Jamie you never play by the rules that you expect the media and journos to play by.

You yourself have said on many occasions that without a source you can assume stories in the press are made up.

You often refuse to "disclose your source" or in this case dont seems to have one at all.

So its one rule for you and another for everyone else. Thats why this site is not credible. Also your obsession with Benitez and the fact that you will argue with anything negitive that is said against Purslow, Hicks, Gillett and Broughton. By your estimation none of the above have done anything wrong and the club is in fine financial health even though there are financial experts not associated to the club saying differently.

Jon said...

Interesting Times. Look at Wednesday's Times.

longchalk said...

dalglish news strory is the times today (weds) and online claiming he wants the job!

fraggs said...

Most interested to hear what Jamie has to say about this. Clearly the story from RAWK and EOTK is not "baseless", it could very well have come from the same sources that induced The Times to publish this story. That doesn't mean it's true, but I think the scathing review by JK has been shown to be undeserved. Not that he'll admit that, I'm sure we're going to hear the same old story about the media and rumours and how he was just expressing his "opinion".  

abix said...

I'm afraid Jamie might be eating humble pie on this unless Kenny denies he's interested which, let's be honest, he hasn't done up until now?

Kenny's had lot's of support from ex players and managers yet he's never cleared the air by saying he's not interested.

Why?

fraggs said...

The main benefit the club would get from leaking the story is that Benitez would be under immediate public pressure to accept the compromised offer. He was due a significant amount more but by leaking the story the club is showing themselves to be still offering a generous package. If Benitez doesn't leave gracefully for the lesser compensation package he's crucified in the press and the fans would almost certainly turn on him.
If it was instead Benitez who leaked the story then I don't see how it benefited him. The affair was over quickly, he moved on, was given compensation less than what was owed to him ... what did he actually gain? The club gained a quick and painless break, no significant media scrutiny and a general positive outcome with Kenny appointed as saviour. 

fraggs said...

So what of burden of proof? This isn't a court, it's not ground-breaking research. Here is Jamie Kanwar telling us that this story is baseless and a lie put forward for some complex but unknown agenda. OK, he doesn't HAVE to prove it, I'm not asking him. I'm just suggesting that if he knows something we don't then please enlighten us. If he can't then just explain why. It's not difficult and it would go a long way to clarifying the issue. That's what we're all looking for: clarification. 
JK could end this debate in a heartbeat with a statement of what he knows and how he knows it. Instead this rediculous back and forth, trading insults and jibes goes on and on. I don't need proof, I just want to know why he's so sure. If it's just that the story in and of itself seems so absurd then fine, that's great, but it's only his opinion. If he has actual discrediting information that's actually quite a different scenario. 

Derrick76 said...

I think most of the fans have an open mind and that why they ask for proof in your article. It'll definitely be better if you stated "I dont believe rawk/eotk till substantial evidence is produced" rather than declaring a big "FALSE", attacking RAWK/EOTK

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Fraggs - the EOTK story published argued that Dalglish had been turned down for the job and he was devastated and on the verge of resigning.  That's the part I disagreed with, and that's clear from my article. The story was baseless.

Furthermore, there are no quotes from Dalglish, and 'The Times' article states the following:

Dalglish has told friends that he would like the job, although he is not willing to compromise the club in any way by making his interest in the position known.

How convenient - he's not willing to make his interest in the position known.

When I hear the man himself say it, then I'll believe it. 

In any event, if Dalgish wants the job, it makes no difference to the fact that RAWK/EOTK article was baseless scaremongering.  There's a big difference between Dalgish being interested in the job, and being turned down and on the verge of resigning in devastation.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Why should I eat humble pie?  The points in my article stand: Dalglish being interested in the job does not change the fact that the EOTK article was scaremongering by saying he'd been
turned down for the job and he was devastated and on the verge of resigning.  That's the part I disagreed with, and that's clear from my article. The story was baseless.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

I know (knew) for a fact that Dalglish had NOT been turned down for the job, was NOT devastate, and was NOT on the verge of resigning.  That's what my article is about, and that is backed up by 'The Times' article, whic states:

Dalglish is unlikely to put pressure on the club he served as player and manager by publicly declaring his interest, but he will inform Purslow and his fellow board members of his belief that he can do the job if called upon.

Note the future tense: he WILL inform them.  How can he be turned down if he hasn't informed the board yet?

having said that, I'll still take The Times article with a pinch of salt.  Quite how they know what Dalglish is going to do is anyone's guess.  And why would Dalgish's 'friends' betray his confidence like this?

Jaimie Kanwar said...

It is not 100% true.

* Dalglish has not been turned down for the job
* He is not 'devstated' by this
* He is not on the verge of resigning

These are the things that made me want to write the article.  You may have known that Dalglish was interested in the job, but everything else was negative scaremongering.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Jon - that doesn't change the fact that EOTK article was baseless.  It spoun the negative myth that Dalglish was on the verge of resigning after being snubbed for the job. as I argue, that's just not true.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

I was so sure because I knew:

* Dalglish had not been turned down for the job
* He was not devastated
* He was not on the verge of resigning

I knew that he might be interested in the role but I wasn't going to post that as it's not my place.  If KD wants to reveal he's interested, then he will.  The Times quotes Dalglish's 'friends' as the source for their story; but that just smacks of betraying a confidence in my view, and now forcing Dalglish to make a public statement.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Yes.  Did I argue that Dalglish was not interested in the job? NO.  I argued that:

* He had not been turned down for the job (he hasn't)

* He was not 'devastated' (He isn't)

* He was not on the verge of resigning from the club and walking away in devstation (he isn't!).

fraggs said...

This is just about the most transparent bit of back-pedalling I've ever seen on any internet blog. You very clearly said that the article was "utter lies". Not some part of the article, not a specific set of facts, but "this is utter lies". It's laid out there very clearly in your first paragraph. Read it again yourself and for goodness sake try and actually be objective for a second.

Baseless. Look it up. The story is not baseless, it's based on a source of information that appears to have some credibility. Indeed, the conclusions he makes are a bit outlandish but I ignored that, seeing that the only piece of actual information was the idea that Dalglish had put himself forward for the job. That doesn't seem to be baseless at all. You've just gone shooting your metaphorical mouth off without taking the time to actually think about what you were saying. It doesn't really matter what you think you wrote, what most of us interpreted was that you thought the WHOLE ARTICLE was untrue and so self-evidently so that anyone who believed it was a fool.  

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Rubbish, Fraggs.

Post the line in the article where I denied that Dalglish was interested in the job.

Go on - that should be easy, shouldn't it?

You won't be able to because it doesn't exist.

The article was baseless because it tried to use Dalglish to demonise Purslow even further.  It was baseless because it was scaremongering, arguing that Dalglish was on the verge of resigning from Liverpool. 

In no way is the story just about KD putting himself forward for the role.  If it was, it would've just said 'KD has put his name forward for the job of Liverpool manager'.  If that was it, I wouldn't have posted anything as that is entirely possible. It's the inflammatory info re Dalglish's alleged 'devastation', and being on the verge of resigning that prompted me to post my article, and that is crystal clear.

In any event, The Times story even contradicts EOTK's story.  It states:


Dalglish is unlikely to put pressure on the club he served as player and manager by publicly declaring his interest, but he will inform Purslow and his fellow board members of his belief that he can do the job if called upon.

How can he be turned dow and on the verge of resigning in devastation if he hasn't told the board yet?!

I'm not really interested in how people misinterptet what I write.  That's not my fault.  if I had stated 'Dalglish is not interested in the job and will not put himself forward' then it would be a different story. I did no such thing.  I didn't even hint or imply that KD was not interested in the role.  I attacked the false aspects of the story, and they remain false.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Fraggs.  
 
Post the line in the article where I denied that Dalglish was interested in the job.  
 
Go on - that should be easy, shouldn't it?  
 
You won't be able to because it doesn't exist.  
 
The article was baseless because it tried to use Dalglish to demonise Purslow even further.  It was baseless because it was scaremongering, arguing that Dalglish was on the verge of resigning from Liverpool.   
 
In no way is the story just about KD putting himself forward for the role.  If it was, it would've just said 'KD has put his name forward for the job of Liverpool manager'.  If that was it, I wouldn't have posted anything as that is entirely possible. It's the inflammatory info re Dalglish's alleged 'devastation', and being on the verge of resigning that prompted me to post my article, and that is crystal clear.  
 
In any event, The Times story even contradicts EOTK's story.  It states:  
 
 
Dalglish is unlikely to put pressure on the club he served as player and manager by publicly declaring his interest, but he will inform Purslow and his fellow board members of his belief that he can do the job if called upon.  
 
How can he be turned dow and on the verge of resigning in devastation if he hasn't told the board yet?!  
 
I'm not really interested in how people misinterptet what I write.  That's not my fault.  if I had stated 'Dalglish is not interested in the job and will not put himself forward' then it would be a different story. I did no such thing.  I didn't even hint or imply that KD was not interested in the role.  I attacked the false aspects of the story, and they remain false.

Indran said...

To Jaimie and fellow friends,

I think the term "innocent until proven guilty" maybe cannot be used in this issue. What I meant to say is that a news that dosent have any valid proof that its true or not is just another unconfirmed story.

I think the story might be true because its being reported in the Times Online today. I didn't hear any news stating that this news is rumour anywhere else except for this site which has a very bad reputation among the users. A normal Liverpool supporter such as myself and people out there only want to hear the correct news (whether its good or bad), not personal opinians and logicness about the news.

I respect you Jaimie because unlike myself you take all the effort to create a Liverpool FC blog. I only want to hear a true story from it, not condemn other LFC bloggers by only using your mighty logicness. Its like finding cheap publisity.

fraggs said...

"... Kenny Dalglish has just been 'turned down' for the manager's job ... I'm sorry, but this is just utter lies".

You may have added in your comments that Kenny "may be interested" but as you said yourself, that's hardly news and I don't see it anywhere in your article. You simply claim that the story is "utter lies". Used in that context, utter means "complete" or "total". Not "part of the article is wrong", not "some of it is wrong", rather it is "completely wrong, totally wrong, no part of it is true". Do you seriously expect me to believe that's not what you meant when you originally wrote it?

Your use of the term "baseless" is also hopelessly incorrect. In order for the story to be baseless every aspect of it must be based in false information. That's just not the case. The article is based first and foremost on two notions:
1 - Kenny expressed his interest in the manager's job
2 - He was told that he would not get it
The guy who wrote the article claims that indeed this is what he heard. I don't dispute the notion that it's possibly made up, of course that's possible, but he did indeed back that up by saying that he believes his source to be reliable. That's not BASEless. It is BASED in what he sees as valid information from a valid source. Some of his conclusions are extravagant and overly dramatic but the BASIS of his article is information that is not self-evidently false. 

So, as someone who publishes regular articles on the internet and claims to be a purveyor of truth, you have no responsibility in making sure that what you write is correctly interpreted? Get a grip Jamie, you can't just spew out whatever comes into your head and then say it's our problem if we don't understand it.

Colin said...

Please, the story is unbelievable.

1) Kenny understands the Liverpool way and not allow dirty linen to be washed in public (unless you think otherwise)
2) Purslow is not about to make himself 'Public Enemy' by telling people " I pissed of the Legend of Liverpool"

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. Purslow brought in investments that we weren't able to under Parry. To match the shirt sposorship of the mancs in our position is nothing short of miraculous!

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Fraggs - Once again, you are avoiding the points I made in my post. It IS utter lies than Dalglish has been turned down for the job!  HE HAS NOT BEEN TURNED DOWN.  The whole point of my article was to attack the notion that:

*Purslow had rejected Dalglish for the job
*Dalglish was consquently devastaed and on the verge of resigning

This is crystal clear from my article.  The EOTK article was and IS baseless.  It is scaremongering; it is putting 2+2 together and coming up with 10.

Your interpretation is incorrect.  I ask again: please show me evidence in my article where I argued/hinted/implied that Dalglish was NOT interested in the job.

Don't try and change the focus by arguing over pointless semantics.

'Kenny Dalglish has jus been turned down for the manager's job' IS complete and utter lies.

Colin said...

fraggs, you are speculating...if they were concerned about the power struggle, they wouldn't have appointed Kenny to add to their existing woes in the first place.

Please cut them some slack: These were the guys who extended his contract for 5 years. Damn they did and damn if they did not.

Please focus on the love of our club and stop adding salt to the wound. All Of You!!!

Colin said...

Please, the story is unbelievable. 
 
1) Kenny understands the Liverpool way and not allow dirty linen to be washed in public (unless you think otherwise) 
2) Purslow is not about to make himself 'Public Enemy' by telling people " I pissed of the Legend of Liverpool" 
 
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. Purslow brought in investments that we weren't able to under Parry. To match the shirt sposorship of the mancs in our position is nothing short of miraculous!

fraggs said...

OK, now we're getting somewhere. Indeed, there is no point arguing semantics with you. You may not express yourself very well but you get there in the end. 

This is exactly what my original comment came back to. You state very clearly now that Kenny has not been told that he's not in the running for the job. That's great. Here's all I want to know: is this your opinion or do you know this for a fact / have it from a reliable source? I don't need details, I just want to separate the diatribe from the information. If you say you know for a fact or have been told by a reliable source then that's enough. I'm simply asking that you give us as much information as we need to make our own decision. 

Colin said...

Derrick,

1. would you agree that kenny does not know our 'Liverpool Way'?
2. he is not a quiet & dignified individual?
3. do you see him as a cry baby? "they won't give me the job! arhhh!"
4. then do you see him embarassing himself by telling people he had been rejected
5.  you think he will want stir up more remours at this time?

If you answer 'no' to any of the questions, then you have made a calculated opinion on the EOTK article.

I'm tired of you lot. I'm not a fan or friend of Jaime, I even told him to write about getting rid of the owners previously; but when you guys can't think...God help us all.

Derrick76 said...

<span>"From what I heard, Kenny went up to Christian Purslow and told him that he felt that he was the best person qualified for the job. Purslow turned Kenny down and instead informed him that they were going to offer the position to Hodgson instead".</span>

I see nothing wrong in EOTK statement, kenny tell purslow he is the best man for the job and probably done it during closed doors (& get leaked). I still dont understand your reply to the above EOTK statement"Right. Clearly, Dalglish 'went up' to Purslow in a crowded room and got his point across with a microphone just to ensure that everyone could hear what he was saying. If such a meeting was to take place, it would've been done behind closed doors."

ITK said...

FYI Jaimie, Dalglish has put himself forward to manage us - reported on Radio City this morning. If it were bullshit, they wouldn't report it.

No word yet as to whether his offer will be accepted, if he's rejected that would make EOTK's story almost (obviously we can't know the exact words spoken in the conversation) completely true wouldn't it?

So it would appear their story and that of RAWK is not completely "baseless" and it would also appear it's not utter "lies".

Strange how you didn't have anyt information on this, I thought you had contacts inside the Club?

TB said...

Jaimie, come on. For once just accept that you got it wrong, KK may not have been turned down (we don't know yet) but it's being reported by Tony Barret of the Times, a well connected journalist and Radio City in Liverpool - they don't post bullshit reports. Both have suggested Dalglish has offered himself for the vacant position and as yet no decision has been made (allegedly).

Why not show that you have a bit of decorum and backbone and admit that you have jumped the gun a touch with your attack on RAWK & EOTK?

I'm not saying they're 100% on the money but CLEARLY there is some truth in what they reported.

I'd also add, to suggest (as you have) that you may have had an idea KK was interested in taking the job is low. Given the rate at which you fire out the articles most of us know full well if you had any idea KK was going to put himself forward you WOULD have written an article. So please don't try and insinuate that you knew!

TB said...

Jaimie, come on. For once just accept that you got it wrong, KK may not have been turned down (we don't know yet) but it's being reported by Tony Barret of the Times, a well connected journalist and Radio City in Liverpool - they don't post bullshit reports. Both have suggested Dalglish has offered himself for the vacant position and as yet no decision has been made (allegedly).

Why not show that you have a bit of decorum and backbone and admit that you have jumped the gun a touch with your attack on RAWK & EOTK?

I'm not saying they're 100% on the money but CLEARLY there is some truth in what they reported.

I'd also add, to suggest (as you have) that you may have had an idea KK was interested in taking the job is low. Given the rate at which you fire out the articles most of us know full well if you had any idea KK was going to put himself forward you WOULD have written an article. So please don't try and insinuate that you knew!

TB said...

Jaimie, come on. For once just accept that you got it wrong, KK may not have been turned down (we don't know yet) but it's being reported by Tony Barret of the Times, a well connected journalist and Radio City in Liverpool - they don't post bullshit reports. Both have suggested Dalglish has offered himself for the vacant position and as yet no decision has been made (allegedly).

Why not show that you have a bit of decorum and backbone and admit that you have jumped the gun a touch with your attack on RAWK & EOTK?

I'm not saying they're 100% on the money but CLEARLY there is some truth in what they reported.

I'd also add, to suggest (as you have) that you may have had an idea KK was interested in taking the job is low. Given the rate at which you fire out the articles most of us know full well if you had any idea KK was going to put himself forward you WOULD have written an article. So please don't try and insinuate that you knew!

RC said...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/article7146439.ece


Kenny Dalglish is willing to take charge at Liverpool

Kenny Dalglish is willing to replace Rafael Benítez as Liverpool manager — but only if the Anfield board considers him to be the best possible replacement for the Spaniard..................
Dalglish is unlikely to put pressure on the club he served as player and manager by publicly declaring his interest, but he will inform Purslow and his fellow board members of his belief that he can do the job if called upon

Rob said...

Jamie,

What evidence do you have that his blatant lies? Have you contacted your sources inside the club and confirmed this? You started off yesterday by dismissing the whole article and calling the posters on RAWK and EOTK mindless fans despite the fact that if you actually visited both sites many of the commentators were dismissive of the article and were positive of Purslowe. Now given the recent times story you have added an edit to your originial article acknowledging that Kenny might be interested in the job but is not on the verge of resigning. The main crux of the article is that Kenny was interested in the job but that the board had said no. The author then goes on to give his OPINION and discuss his disappointment and suggests that Kenny might resign. At no point did he attribute (kenny potentially resigning) to his source this is clearly his opinion.

How is this misleading or scaremongering?

Rob said...

Jamie,  
 
What evidence do you have that is blatant lies? Have you contacted your sources inside the club and confirmed this? You started off yesterday by dismissing the whole article and calling the posters on RAWK and EOTK mindless fans despite the fact that if you actually visited both sites many of the commentators were dismissive of the article and were positive of Purslowe. Now given the recent times story you have added an edit to your originial article acknowledging that Kenny might be interested in the job but is not on the verge of resigning. The main crux of the article is that Kenny was interested in the job but that the board had said no. The author then goes on to give his OPINION and discuss his disappointment and it is his suggestion that Kenny might resign.

At no point did he attribute (kenny potentially resigning) to his source this is clearly his opinion.  

... and I will not be surprised if he resigns from the club following this. 

How is this misleading or scaremongering? The man is offering an opinon just like you do in many of the articles and posts you make and write.

Read more: http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2010/06/beaking-news-empire-of-kop-posts.html#ixzz0qL5NJ1Da

RC said...

Always felt that king Kenny was out of management too long to take over from Rafa but ive always thought with the squad we have at present we could challenge for the title with the right attitude and with Kenny in charge i can't see nothing but the right attitude from the players .
Wonder would it be worth giving Kenny a shot at it ..?

Jaimie Kanwar said...

What is it with people? Are you incapable of reading plain English?

The EOTK article was baseless because it tried to use Dalglish to demonise Purslow even further.  It was baseless because it was scaremongering, trying to suggest that Dalglish was on the verge of resigning from Liverpool.     
In no way is the story just about KD putting himself forward for the role.  If it was, it would've just said 'KD has put his name forward for the job of Liverpool manager'.  If that was it, I wouldn't have posted anything as that is entirely possible. It's the inflammatory info re Dalglish's alleged 'devastation', and being on the verge of resigning that prompted me to post my article, and that is crystal clear.    
   
The EOTK stoy said KD AHD ALREADY BEEN TURNED DOW. The Times story even contradicts this.  It states:

Dalglish is unlikely to put pressure on the club he served as player and manager by publicly declaring his interest, but he will inform Purslow and his fellow board members of his belief that he can do the job if called upon.
   
   
How can he be turned dow and on the verge of resigning in devastation if he hasn't told the board yet?!
If I had stated 'Dalglish is not interested in the job and will not put himself forward' then it would be a different story. I did no such thing.  I didn't even hint or imply that KD was not interested in the role.  I attacked the false aspects of the story, and they remain false.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

KD has not been turned down!  Stop being deliberately obtuse.  The EOTK article claimed he'd already bbeen turned down and was on the verge of resigning in devastaion.  According to The Times, KD has not even told the board yet, so how can he already have ben turned down?!

Furthermore, even if he was turned dow, he will not resign!  KD is willing to take the job IF CALLED UPON.  If the board decides against him, he will accept the decision with good grace and get on with his job.  He won't throw his toys out of his param and quite the club.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

I have never argued against the possibility that Dalglish was interested in the job, only that he had been turned down, was devstated and on the verge of resigning.  How many times do I have to make this point?  Can you not see how damaging it is to spread stuff like that? It makes Dalglish look bad, and causes anxiety amongst the fans, and gives more ammunition to the anti-Owner/Purslow brigade.

The original article went out on newsnow, which means lots of fans would read it and believe that KD was on the verge of resigning in devastation.  I knew that not to be true, so I posted something about attacking the false elements of the story.

I don't apologise one iota for my attack on RAWK and EOTC.  They attack me on a daily basis completely unprovoked, and in a personal manner.  My article attacked their scaremongering, which is fully justified.

The onlyu truth to what they reported is that Dalglis is interested in the Liverpool job, but that's not news.  Everyone knows that.  Why would he not be?

And writing an article about Dalglish being interested in the job is not something I would do.  To me, it's not news - it's the worst kept secret at Anfield.  Several former Liverpool players have hinted the same at various times.  Have I written anything about any other potential managerial candidate being interested?  No.  Such things don't interest me.  I'll let the media report that kind of stuff.

Jon said...

So, do you have a hotline to Kenny? Any other source would not allow you to so definitive about what is going on in his head.

I have not defended the EOTK site. I'd never read the site before you mentioned it. I feel no inclination to read it again.

The thrust of my argument is more subtle than that. You are making equally unverifiable statements. Admittedly they are much more credible, but the bald assertion of those statements means that you are replacing one unverifiable opinion with another one.

Some of your later replies laying out a reasoned logical framework as to why it was bollocks were much, much better. It is much easier to criticise others' articles if you avoid the same trap, even under provocation.

It was a nothing piece, and it was probably best ignored, rather than ramping up the EOTK's visitor numbers. 

As to the Times reference, I have given up trying to work out who is pulling whose strings. I was merely pointing out that there were more reputable sources raking the same muck patch.

H&G will be long gone before we get close to finding out the truth of what has happened inside the club recently. No one appears to have been honest in their off the record briefings, of which there have been far too many.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

The point is Dalglish has not been turned down, he is not devastated, and he is nowhere near resigning.  He is interested, and avaialble to take the job if the club needs him.  If he's not chosen, he will accept it with grace and continue doing the job he's paid for.  He won't throw a tantrum and quit Liverpool. He respects Hodgson and has no problem working with him, but of course, he's Liverpool through and through and after being away from football for so long, the job is appealing.

I had a problem with EOTK reporting that Dalglish had already been turned down and was on the verge of resigning in devastation. That was simply not true.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Generally, I try and avoid tagging everything I write with 'My source believes' etc.  I don't like doing that because it tends to derail the thread and you get 100 people demanding that the source is revealed, which I can't do.  Furthermore, certain sources never want to be mentioned, even anonymously.  I usually just argue my point and the the proof is in the pudding when it happens.

One of the reasons I posted the article is to counter the misinformation in a public manner, i.e. fighting fire with fire.  EOTK's story would be read by lots of people, who would then go around thinking KD was devastated and on the vergie of resigning.  I felt compelled to counteract that, so I posted the article.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

It is not true that:

* KD has been turned down
* That he is devastated
* That he could resign over it.

longchalk said...

this is why the writier here should not resort to such basic puerile tactics with regard to other articles from rival forums.
there is no need for it,quite needless and with such critical times at hand a silly distraction.
lets keep our focus

fraggs said...

And yet you're still unwilling to even mention why you're so sure this has not happened? Still not asking for a source JK, just want to know if you're reporting fact or opinion. 

As was just said, the EOTK article didn't "report" that Dalglish was on the verge of resigning. The guy stated his opinion, nothing more. You do this all the time and claim it as a defence. You're taking issue with an aspect of the article that is simply a personal point of view, it doesn't make any sense. 

You really only have two points of contention:
 - Reporting that Dalglish had been turned down. In reporting this the EOTK writer stated that his information came from a "reliable source". After being asked countless times yourself you haven't even done that. He's provided as much evidence as he feels he can, why not do the same?
 - Reporting that Dalglish was "devastated". Yep, I'm with you on that one, bit of creative reporting there. 

The rest of your rant is based on the assumption that there is some kind of agenda here, that the writer is attempting to demonise Purslow and owners even further. That's an assumption you've made and assuming that you know what someone's personal motivations are for writing something like that is particularly dangerous. You don't know this person and you can't possibly know what it is their mind. 

Believe it or not JK I have a begrudging respect for your attempts to reveal the "truth" and deal only in facts and confirmed information. I therefore find it immensely frustrating when you revert to this kind of childish tet-a-tet and refuse to even answer a simple question like "why are you so sure?" You have the potential to make this site a real haven for those of us who are sick of endless rumours and made up nonsense. It's just that so often you state your opinion as if it's fact and it becomes quite difficult to determine when you're actually relaying information rather than just what you think. 

fraggs said...

You just can't do it can you? You can not answer a simple question: why were you so sure?

Rob said...

Fair enough but you started off by implying that the whole article was baseless when in fact as various media outlets have reported that Dalglish is intereted in the job. Also you missed my two points: The first is that EOTK are not reporting that Dalglish will leave as fact i.e. it is merely the writer offering his opinion given what he has learned from his supposed source. Second you have castigated the commentators on EOTK and RAWK as mindless fans who don't question what they are told which in fact was baseless on your part given the number of comments discussing the merits of the orgininal post and agreeing with your point about it being potentially divisive in terms of tring to drive a wedge between Kenny and Purslowe.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

I was so sure because I have a reliable source on the issue.  In a discussion a week ago, my source revealed that Dalglish was interested in the LFC job.  I didn't give it a second thought as I pretty much thought it was commong knowledge anyway.  If Dalgish had been turned down and was on the verge of leaving, I would've known about it.  That's why I was so sure the EOTK article was false in its approach.

As I've said elsewhere though, I don't like prefacing everything I say with 'my source said'.  I prefer to argue my point and then let what actually happens be the proof.

I didn't post an article about KD's interest in the job because I didn't want to undercut the man himself.  If he wants to announce he's interested, then he can do it.  I feel it's kind of tacky to announce KD's interest in the job before he's ready to do so, which is what The Times has done.  Furthermore, the fact he might be interested had been mentioned alredy on twitter and countless faceboook pages/LFC sites. It was the worst kept secret going.

This site is not based on Exclusives about trying to be the first to report every bit of news; it's not a news site; it's an on opinion site, first and foremost.  I prefer Exclusives about things clear up inaccuracies associated with the club (i.e. finances).

There has been lots of other stuff I've known about in the past (before it was made public) that I didn't post articles on, I just argued my point in the comments section.

The only time I will use info from sources in a high profile manner (i.e. citing them and posting articles on the site ) is when we're dealing with finances or transfer spending.  For other stuff, I usuall post hints on the site's facebook page.

Re the vociferous nature of my post: RAWK and EOTK personally atack me and this site on a regular basis completely unprovoked.  They deserve it.

And EOTK/RAWk are both part of the anti-Purslow smear campaign that's suddenly arisen.  They both been spreading lies about how he allegedly leaked info about Benitez's sacking; how he apparently undermined Benitez etc.

They deserve it.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

I was so sure because I have a reliable source on the issue.  In a discussion a week ago, my source revealed that Dalglish was interested in the LFC job.  I didn't give it a second thought as I pretty much thought it was common knowledge anyway.  If Dalgish had been turned down and was on the verge of leaving, I would've known about it.  That's why I was so sure the EOTK article was false in its approach.

Additionally,even if I did know that Dalglish had been turned down, I would not report that because I don't see the point.  It would just fan the flames of fan discontent, and I see no utility in that.  Yes, it would be an exclusive, but at the expense of creating negative publicity for the club.  I'll leave that to the media.  I don't want to be part of that.

As I've said elsewhere though, I don't like prefacing everything I say with 'my source said'.  I prefer to argue my point and then let what actually happens be the proof.  
 
I didn't post an article about KD's interest in the job because I didn't want to undercut the man himself.  If he wants to announce he's interested, then he can do it.  I feel it's kind of tacky to announce KD's interest in the job before he's ready to do so, which is what The Times has done.  Furthermore, the fact he might be interested had been mentioned alredy on twitter and countless faceboook pages/LFC sites. It was the worst kept secret going.  
 
This site is not based on Exclusives about trying to be the first to report every bit of news; it's not a news site; it's an on opinion site, first and foremost.  I prefer Exclusives about things clear up inaccuracies associated with the club (i.e. finances).  
 
There has been lots of other stuff I've known about in the past (before it was made public) that I didn't post articles on, I just argued my point in the comments section.  
 
The only time I will use info from sources in a high profile manner (i.e. citing them and posting articles on the site ) is when we're dealing with finances or transfer spending.  For other stuff, I usuall post hints on the site's facebook page.  
 
Re the vociferous nature of my post: RAWK and EOTK personally atack me and this site on a regular basis completely unprovoked.   
 
And EOTK/RAWk are both part of the anti-Purslow smear campaign that's suddenly arisen.  They both been spreading lies about how he allegedly leaked info about Benitez's sacking; how he apparently undermined Benitez etc.  
 
They deserve it.

stevo said...

It would seem the writer here has a problem with the report Kenny had been turned down for the job. I think he has a valid argument and whilst i don't know for a 'Fact' that Kenny has been turned down, i think it may be possible the writer does. If he does have a good source he's hardly likely to reveal it, so lets just see what happens.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Exactly, Stevo.  KD may well be turned down for the job at some point (pretty likely to be honest), but as of now, he has not been turned down, and he is not on the verge of resigning.  And even if he was turned down, I sincerely doubt Dalglish would resign.  What would be the point?  It makes no sense.

zan said...

Jaimie Kanwar your Liverpool-kop website is a joke.

I posted 2 non offensive, post on here yesterday, you dilerbratly didn't put them on.

They weren't offensive, they were to do with season tickets price increase.

I made an observation, you didn't like it so you censored it.

That's just not on.

You will probably not post this one too.

Well 'am just gonna keep copying and pasting it every 10 mins or so.

At least some people WILL get to see it !

zan said...

Jaimie Kanwar your Liverpool-kop website is a joke.

I posted 2 non offensive, post on here yesterday, you dilerbratly didn't put them on.

They weren't offensive, they were to do with season tickets price increase.

I made an observation, you didn't like it so you censored it.

That's just not on.

You will probably not post this one too.

Well 'am just gonna keep copying and pasting it every 10 mins or so.

At least some people WILL get to see it !

fxr said...

Certainly looks like their was more than an element of truth coming from EOTKs 'sources'.. will any sort of apology now be made to them? 

One can argue with semantics, but it doesnt seem 'baseless' at all following reports coming out of the media today. 

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Please explain what 'element of truth' there is to EOTK's story?

Is it any of the following:

* That KD has been turned down for the role
* That he is 'devastated'?
* That he could be on the verge of resigning?

The sheer inability of people to think critically is ridiculous.  Was EOTK's post about Dalglish throwing his hat into the ring for the LFC job? NO.  It was about suggesting that Purslow had turned him down, and he was on the verge of resigning in devastation. 

And for the millionth time: 'The Times' article states that Dalglish IS GOING TO DISCUSS IT WITH THE BOARD i.e. in the future.  How can he have been turned down if he hasn't even discussed it yet?

The article is baseless speculation.  And no apology is needed.

In any event. has EOTK ever apologised to me for endlessly slagging me off and this site off (unprovoked) on twitter, and in dedicated articles on its site? NO.

Ste said...

Terrible article once again kanwar

TB said...

Just a quick question Jaimie, why didn't you post any response on EOTK?

It seems to me you try very, very hard to ensure nobody knows where you are based. My suspicions are aroused further by the fact that generally your posts and articles are published in the early hours of the morning 2:00am - 5:00am, and in general you don't seem to be about much in "normal" morning hours in Britain?

Which country is 5hrs+ behind our timeline again?

You could prove me wrong very easily of course, just post any slight comment on EOTK - Antoinne will then be able to confirm where you're posting from.

Jon said...

You seriously thought people would believe the original argument? That's more unbelievable that the original EOTK article. :-P

Jon said...

It wouldn't prove anything. What you are proposing doing is trivial to circumvent.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

First, I don't post on sites that regularly slag off this site unprovoked.  Second, I've posted on their before and my posts just get deleted, so what's the point. 

And yes, I prefer it if people don't know where I'm bases.  I value my privacy - is that wrong?

I'm a night owl so I'm up till 3-4 most nights.  That's just me.  I also work from home, and my job allows me the freedom to set my own schedule.

Your contention that I'm not about in 'normal hours' in GB is absolute nonsense.  Check the timestamps of comments on the site.  And 90% of articles are posted during the day; very few are posted in the early hours. 

I am based in the UK. That's all people need to know. 

Jaimie Kanwar said...

It's common knowledge that I am based in Bristol.  I've attached a picture I just took of something that proves that.  Note the date on the flyer: July 2010.  These are only distributed in Bristol (obviousl), so why would I have one if I didn't live there?

fraggs said...

OK, great response. I just don't understand, why couldn't you say that in the beginning? You do go on quite a bit about promoting the truth, about not pushing dangerous and pointless gossip stories. You could have put the issue to bed in a second by just saying "I have a reliable source and the information I have suggests that this story just isnt' true". Say what else you like about other web sites but just that simple statement is enough for most people. 
Now that you've said that I have a solid set of information to work off. Two people who suggest they have inside sources, I can read what they write and make a judgement. I honestly think that this is incredibly important. It's great that you prefer to stick to judgement and not big-up your information, but on the other hand you do have to consider that you're pushing information in the world wide web. Just as the EOTK story could lead to damaging rumours, so can what you write if it's not made clear. Humility and careful use of information is one thing but I think that in this kind of atmosphere honesty and a clear statement can achieve so much more. You have a chance to really clear things up, really make a difference. I'd hate to see that ruined because you don't want to sound like you're in pissing contest. When it comes to the truth all other principals take second place. 

Jon said...

If someone is inclined to believe you, they did not need the photo. If they weren't, the photo is not proof.

Ultimately the only proof a sceptic would believe would be a violation of your privacy greater than you would be willing to accept. So ultimately, any proof you are likely to be willing to post here would be preaching to the converted, and thus ultimately futile.

The Truth said...

I believe you Jaimie. I see the so-called "news"papers are perpetuating this baseless story from another forum. How pathetic is it that they can't do any proper journalism using facts like this site? It's obvious they don't have contacts in the club like Jaimie and they are using their pathetic columns do spread more lies about out owners. Jaimie has told us that he has sources in the club and he knows it's not true so the rest of you haterz need to lay off him and understand that this is the only site which gives the truth about LFC and this is the only place you can trust to get the real news. As if the owners would turn down a legend like Kenny, what would they have to gain? It isnt like they want to sell Gerrard and Torres to pay off debts is it? new conspiracy theory for the anti GH crazies. I for one will be sticking with this site for my liverpool news and will be writing to all of these overpaid "news"papers to tell them where they can find the truth.

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